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and good evening everybody welcome to

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arcane radio i'm sean the fork chap

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worker here on monday night

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february 22nd 2016

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joined by my good friend lon strickler

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lon the author editor of phantoms and

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monsters he's the everything over there

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phantommonsters.com lawn good evening

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and we're ready to kick this off tonight

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yeah um yeah it's gonna be interesting

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night this is a little bit something

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different um underground

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for the most part uh our guest is

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uh michael mott mike

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mott and uh he uh wrote a book a

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while back it's had several dish

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additions to it

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but we'll be talking about the

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uh the underground the the

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beans that live in the

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in the underground the caverns the

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cauldrons as he says

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so should be an interesting show well

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we're looking forward to it that's for

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sure

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oh what an interesting weekend it's been

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lon you've been blogging away as usual

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uh i've been trying to catch up on

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things i watched the episode of the

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sykesville monster again on uh

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uh monsters and mysteries in america

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because i just wanted to give it a good

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once over and i really enjoyed that

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episode

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yeah i think they did a good job of it i

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mean i i've had some pretty good reviews

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on it

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and um uh

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you know they didn't embellish it like

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it you know

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like some shows do about everything that

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was on there happened

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and it was pretty close to you know the

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close to the actual story

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yeah the one thing i always appreciated

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is how you said it was very accurately

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i like that uh it was just a good

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episode all around also in that same

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an odd coincidence my friend carrie

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fargo

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is also one with the creature known as

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the rake

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the entity that she experienced there

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that was also very interesting story and

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just for

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my own curiosity lon have you heard of a

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lot of encounters

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uh with those rake type entities yeah i

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have heard some uh you know i can't you

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can kind of uh

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put the rake i believe in the same

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categories as slender man

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and that's where i was gonna go next

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with this yeah i i think they're kind of

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like in the same category and in fact if

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i remember right uh

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the rake uh on that show and the only

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why that had to be done is because some

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lady copyrighted the rake i mean the

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trademark was that right that's why they

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they had to use something that was

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similar but the rake really is uh

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you know it really is you know a similar

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interesting interesting so you are

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dealing with two separate entities but

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combined it for the sake of trademark

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gotta love the law yeah i i think

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they're both actually thought form

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entities i think they're something that

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um that are manifested

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it being a thought form some people call

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you know similar to like you know like

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the manifestation of poltergeist that uh

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an actual energy is magnified because of

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because of a living person and

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increasing the energy and increasing the

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magnitude

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and it manifests into something bigger

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you know i think that's one of the

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things that pissed me off about the term

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is that it's used 99 of the time

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incorrectly

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yeah it is it really is i mean just like

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poltergeist movie i mean there's nothing

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there it even represents a poltergeist

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so um i always thought at least in my

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mind that poltergeist was kind of

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self-stirred

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something external you know what i mean

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unknown telekinetic kind of situation

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yeah not this visitor from another realm

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done say locally but something on a

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yeah i don't know they can't always get

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that's why you're here to correct them

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so you know poltergeist slenderman rakes

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couple hoes no i'm sorry i'm just

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kidding uh

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we got uh all kinds of things going on

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here uh bigfoot sightings not really

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so far really quiet uh this month

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beginning of the year but it's been

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nothing really static nobody gets

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dealing with i'm really frustrated

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yeah and that can be a bit frustrating

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very frustrated now we did now

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dogman report uh actually up in

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near altoona area okay and i'm waiting

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butch to get back on that we're uh we're

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you know we're attempting to get more

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information and as soon as that you know

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as soon as that comes out we'll you know

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um the spurs of you know ken gerhardt

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saying that they're working on

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a or someone's working on a

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speak on

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the uh dog man type entities who knows

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field trip for you me and butch huh

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could you imagine that ride

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oh my god someone better get the bail

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in our wildest dreams we couldn't

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imagine a road trip with you being bunch

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but um you know we're planning on

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getting into some of these areas in pa

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again you know when the weather breaks

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after the move so

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you know we'll see i mean uh we had some

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areas that

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you know are fairly close now too so um

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butcher was on the coast to coast the

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and uh talking about dog man

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and uh bipedal cadence so

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uh if you can get that you know if you

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program uh but i like going and

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listening and doing other shows it's

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somebody but i like hearing the

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different takes that

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other interviewers approach uh butch

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with and how he just keeps it

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you know level kind of procedural

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and not a lot of supposition he just

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kind of goes for it presents what's

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there and that's what he's there with

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and it's always a good idea

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wonder what their angle is if it's have

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a stereo or

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they just want to hear what you got to

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a good conversation but sometimes you

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skeptic as a just

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adversarial and uh you know i think

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butch handles that pretty well

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yeah well you know i was with in fact i

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kind of got my first break doing this

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guy but he has a tendency he can get a

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uh he's a good guy up there in hamilton

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uh not anterior as you and i were

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somewhere in outer space but uh he's

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of this you know that i don't like to do

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i i listen to myself talk enough

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during the week and i'm sure other

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people don't have a you know don't want

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so i don't entertain a lot of interviews

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i've done a few with shannon and i love

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doing interviews with shannon i just

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don't it's like you i i don't like that

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kind of suspense of going in not knowing

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what i'm getting myself into

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is this person going to be hostile are

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they going to be

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because you know me i have a short fuse

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well you know it can be anxiety filled

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you know i've done coast to coast now

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what three times and

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uh you know the information does get out

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there the way i feel it should

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and uh you know i i i enjoy being on

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you know i i've got a couple scheduled

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i've got some podcasts coming up too but

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i guess it just depends in the mood i'm

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in quite honest with you

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i just don't you know i i don't i like

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to do this

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you know i like to i guess i like to be

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in control a little bit of a control

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freak

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when it's that but i get tired of

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hearing myself talking

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me too these folks listen to us for an

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hour and a half to two hours a week do

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they really want to hear us anymore i

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we just got the audio right finally a

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year and a half on the air by ourselves

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yeah i was checking the listings on um

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excuse me the rankings on

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uh stitcher today and uh

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we're up there pretty well now i guess

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we're number 39

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traditionally well in the ratings and we

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have our listeners to thank for that

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because for some

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reason they come back every week and uh

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we like them i mean don't get us wrong

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we love you folks we do this show

308
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uh for you i mean for us too let's not

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lie we like it a little bit or we

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wouldn't be doing it but we really feel

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like

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what we're bringing was maybe something

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a little different maybe not totally

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different but it's sean and lawn and we

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have kind of that folksy charm

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that uh brings it down to earth and

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though

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many times you know lon and i

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i guess the one thing that they'll

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appreciate for muslim is even if you and

321
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i don't agree with something

322
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totally if we're not on the same page as

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each other with something

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we don't beat the hell out of each other

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about it we can agree to disagree about

326
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things but talk about it civilly

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well you know we've had some pretty good

328
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guests too and uh

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i mean people have agreed to come on

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with us and we'd much appreciate that

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and uh

332
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we're still trying to get a few other

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ones but uh you tell us who you want

334
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we'll try to investigate yeah

335
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it's tough to do sometimes uh to arrange

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people's schedules but

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uh you know i had to i had to give our

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guests a lot of the credit

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and uh and we've had some good guests

340
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when you get some more female guests

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we've been a real sausage fest lately

342
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well we've got some coming up so good

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good good

344
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i love to have the ladies on the show

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you know they're so much smarter than us

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men

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more in tune to everything they're and

348
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i'm pandering to our audience i am

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but they are let's be honest they're

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smarter than us

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yeah i think they are they pay attention

352
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and we need to listen to them more

353
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and uh yeah i love it i i really love it

354
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i love what we do here i have a lot of

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fun when we do it and

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and i think that's why we keep coming

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back uh week after week is that

358
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it's just enjoyable for both of us and i

359
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love to get to talk to the people i mean

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lately

361
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uh you know when you get lon on a roll

362
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folks you don't know how hard it is to

363
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stop lawn when he's on a roll in fact

364
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when he's on a roll i just let him go

365
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i love it i love listening to him talk

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to these guests about

367
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subjects that sometimes i have no damn

368
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clue what he's talking about and

369
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these guys they just go and i learn so

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much a lot from you and our guests

371
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and hopefully our our audience gets the

372
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same experience and like i was talking

373
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about last week feedback is they want to

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hear more of the stories

375
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from from the guests and more the i

376
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guess quote unquote gory details and

377
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that's what we're going to try to do

378
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uh moving forward here a little bit more

379
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from the guests but man

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we've had some really good guests and

381
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next week we're going to have uh patrick

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meacham back

383
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yeah yeah patrick's going to come back

384
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and we're going to pick up where we left

385
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off

386
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after we had a skype incident whatever

387
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happened on that show

388
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that show went to pot real quick it

389
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never started it didn't start out good

390
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let's be honest i mean you know it seems

391
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to be the the thing

392
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and we're not the only one that has this

393
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experience when we're talking about

394
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entities and you know spiritual and

395
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paranormal where

396
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something happens to skype i don't know

397
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what it is i mean

398
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yes sometimes i think with when we have

399
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these issues when we're we're talking to

400
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guests

401
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we're talking about these paranormal

402
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things but i kid you not folks

403
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that there's stuff that happens like

404
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there's no logical reason why long just

405
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drops they're in the middle of a phone

406
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call for

407
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he's got perfect connection and boop

408
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there it's gone

409
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over bt too oh my god bill bean anytime

410
00:14:49,430 --> 00:14:46,880
we have bill beat on the show

411
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bill's coming over yeah well let's knock

412
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on wood and uh you got some salt

413
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go outside and throw that over your

414
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shoulder

415
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something's going you know whatever bill

416
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bean would come on beyond the edge

417
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radius something would happen

418
00:15:05,910 --> 00:15:04,160
yeah he did yeah he did it was funny

419
00:15:08,389 --> 00:15:05,920
uh well it's been a busy week i'm

420
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telling you i've got um

421
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i you know i'm still working on this

422
00:15:13,030 --> 00:15:12,079
humanoid case out there in arizona and

423
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i've got

424
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i'm actually got some colleagues doing

425
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an rv on it

426
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remote viewing for those who aren't

427
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familiar with rv yeah

428
00:15:24,870 --> 00:15:23,519
i've got i've got a colleague friend and

429
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uh

430
00:15:29,110 --> 00:15:27,519
in australia who's going to be looking

431
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into this for me

432
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and i used to work with her before and

433
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uh she's going to be doing this she's

434
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gotten herself back into

435
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uh into some of the rv and some of the

436
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uh clairvoyant work that she has done

437
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before she's

438
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uh she's very good so um i'm glad to

439
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have her on board to help me out

440
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and uh in fact she had i'm waiting for

441
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her to write some things up i got a

442
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she got an image of something i don't

443
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know

444
00:15:59,829 --> 00:15:59,199
what it is i'm pretty sure it's a it's a

445
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a human

446
00:16:06,310 --> 00:16:03,279
entity uh that she took up

447
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uh took a photo of i showed the butch

448
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it's

449
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one of the most interesting

450
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uh images i've seen on digital it really

451
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is i

452
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mean i'm gonna i'll get it up there one

453
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day after

454
00:16:22,230 --> 00:16:20,720
you know after she writes it up but um

455
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and i haven't seen it yet folks

456
00:16:27,189 --> 00:16:24,880
oh you haven't seen it yet and of course

457
00:16:30,949 --> 00:16:27,199
i've got i've got a new case

458
00:16:34,310 --> 00:16:30,959
i've been working on in sag harbor

459
00:16:37,509 --> 00:16:34,320
new york up in long island this is an

460
00:16:40,550 --> 00:16:37,519
orb infestation um

461
00:16:43,350 --> 00:16:40,560
an orb infants

462
00:16:43,990 --> 00:16:43,360
infestation this is weird this one's

463
00:16:47,430 --> 00:16:44,000
strange

464
00:16:50,710 --> 00:16:47,440
because um you know i had a case

465
00:16:54,310 --> 00:16:50,720
several years ago in perth australia

466
00:16:57,829 --> 00:16:54,320
western australia where the uh

467
00:16:59,990 --> 00:16:57,839
where the witness had these

468
00:17:01,189 --> 00:17:00,000
these this orb infestation in his

469
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apartment

470
00:17:04,630 --> 00:17:03,440
but the thing was you could see these

471
00:17:06,470 --> 00:17:04,640
orbs

472
00:17:08,150 --> 00:17:06,480
without the camera you could see it you

473
00:17:10,390 --> 00:17:08,160
know you look at the camera

474
00:17:12,390 --> 00:17:10,400
and you see it but you know you could

475
00:17:14,309 --> 00:17:12,400
stand there and see it as well too

476
00:17:15,909 --> 00:17:14,319
they were they were uh they were seen

477
00:17:19,350 --> 00:17:15,919
with the naked eye

478
00:17:21,669 --> 00:17:19,360
well the situation here in this case up

479
00:17:26,069 --> 00:17:21,679
in long island is

480
00:17:29,590 --> 00:17:26,079
you can only see these orbs with digital

481
00:17:33,190 --> 00:17:29,600
equipment okay and it is so weird

482
00:17:36,549 --> 00:17:33,200
and now the the the family lives

483
00:17:38,150 --> 00:17:36,559
in a cottage rates smack between two

484
00:17:41,909 --> 00:17:38,160
graveyards

485
00:17:43,190 --> 00:17:41,919
can understand one of what i understand

486
00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:43,200
that's convenient

487
00:17:47,350 --> 00:17:46,640
and uh so i you know there has been some

488
00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:47,360
more

489
00:17:54,150 --> 00:17:50,880
big orb activity outside

490
00:17:55,590 --> 00:17:54,160
uh some and i'm working on that and i'm

491
00:17:57,270 --> 00:17:55,600
trying to get some more information on

492
00:17:57,990 --> 00:17:57,280
that that's something i'm gonna have to

493
00:17:59,590 --> 00:17:58,000
uh

494
00:18:02,310 --> 00:17:59,600
i'm probably gonna get had to get some

495
00:18:04,390 --> 00:18:02,320
local help for that because uh

496
00:18:05,909 --> 00:18:04,400
i have no idea what we're dealing with

497
00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:05,919
this is uh

498
00:18:10,549 --> 00:18:08,799
you know i i i i'm quite sure it's it's

499
00:18:13,590 --> 00:18:10,559
spiritual

500
00:18:14,070 --> 00:18:13,600
but the fact that only it can only be

501
00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:14,080
seen

502
00:18:21,270 --> 00:18:18,720
using digital equipment is pretty odd

503
00:18:24,470 --> 00:18:21,280
uh you cannot see it at all with the

504
00:18:29,669 --> 00:18:27,669
so you got kind of that's weird

505
00:18:30,789 --> 00:18:29,679
yeah it is weird and um i don't know if

506
00:18:31,830 --> 00:18:30,799
you've ever heard of that before to be

507
00:18:34,950 --> 00:18:31,840
honest with you

508
00:18:37,750 --> 00:18:34,960
i i i have heard similar but not

509
00:18:38,870 --> 00:18:37,760
not that you know you know not like that

510
00:18:41,990 --> 00:18:38,880
that that is odd

511
00:18:45,110 --> 00:18:42,000
and besides the um

512
00:18:46,950 --> 00:18:45,120
that they're encountering no

513
00:18:48,150 --> 00:18:46,960
i mean there's no paranormal activity at

514
00:18:50,390 --> 00:18:48,160
all in that into place

515
00:18:52,150 --> 00:18:50,400
just the orbs that's just the orbs and

516
00:18:55,510 --> 00:18:52,160
that's the weird thing about it now

517
00:18:56,870 --> 00:18:55,520
if if if there was something else going

518
00:18:58,870 --> 00:18:56,880
on

519
00:19:00,710 --> 00:18:58,880
ah yeah that i i'd attributed to that

520
00:19:01,270 --> 00:19:00,720
but you know there's nothing else going

521
00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:01,280
on

522
00:19:05,750 --> 00:19:04,000
interesting uh but i think i think there

523
00:19:07,669 --> 00:19:05,760
i mean i think there is potential for

524
00:19:10,870 --> 00:19:07,679
something to happen

525
00:19:12,310 --> 00:19:10,880
uh i i told her you know i told the

526
00:19:14,310 --> 00:19:12,320
witness look you know

527
00:19:16,390 --> 00:19:14,320
if if you get any inkling of any type of

528
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:16,400
activity you got to let me know because

529
00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:18,000
this may be one of these deals where

530
00:19:21,110 --> 00:19:19,919
something just suddenly starts to happen

531
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:21,120
that's what i was thinking i could just

532
00:19:26,789 --> 00:19:23,440
pop one day and it does happen

533
00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:26,799
um and of course there's nothing

534
00:19:33,669 --> 00:19:30,240
that there's no fear factor uh

535
00:19:35,909 --> 00:19:33,679
there's no uh uh

536
00:19:37,270 --> 00:19:35,919
dysfunction i was just gonna ask general

537
00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:37,280
you would be good at everything

538
00:19:40,950 --> 00:19:39,520
yeah so there's nothing to feed it

539
00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:40,960
children

540
00:19:46,549 --> 00:19:44,720
there's kids but they're young kids and

541
00:19:49,029 --> 00:19:46,559
i don't think there's anything there

542
00:19:50,950 --> 00:19:49,039
that's wrong i mean it's something i'm

543
00:19:53,669 --> 00:19:50,960
going to be working on so we'll see

544
00:19:54,870 --> 00:19:53,679
we'll definitely keep us posted yeah of

545
00:19:56,470 --> 00:19:54,880
course we've got all the other

546
00:19:58,230 --> 00:19:56,480
odds and ends going on of course you

547
00:20:01,750 --> 00:19:58,240
know i said this dog band thing

548
00:20:02,870 --> 00:20:01,760
got the new sighting and uh

549
00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:02,880
you know i've been working on a few

550
00:20:06,789 --> 00:20:04,480
other odds and ends i got a few more

551
00:20:10,149 --> 00:20:06,799
angles going too so

552
00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:10,159
you know that's the uh that's par for

553
00:20:12,870 --> 00:20:11,120
the caller for me

554
00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:12,880
you're a pretty busy guy whatever

555
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:15,520
happened to our friend up in uh

556
00:20:20,230 --> 00:20:18,080
up in the uh northern atlantic region

557
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:20,240
let's have an ongoing encounter

558
00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:24,000
oh that's my buddy jerry yeah

559
00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:26,080
yeah the guy lived up in no actually

560
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:27,440
lived in nova scotia

561
00:20:31,590 --> 00:20:30,240
yeah the atlantic maritimes but you know

562
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:31,600
i'm not going to be specific

563
00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:35,280
what area of you know nova scotia

564
00:20:38,549 --> 00:20:37,200
i still have contact with him he's had

565
00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:38,559
some medical

566
00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:41,760
issues over the years so

567
00:20:47,830 --> 00:20:45,679
um but that situation

568
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:47,840
from what i understand is still going on

569
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:48,960
and we were gonna take a trip

570
00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:50,559
up there truth be told yeah we were

571
00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:53,200
talking about it i um

572
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:55,760
i don't know i mean and you know he as

573
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:57,360
far as this orb thing

574
00:21:00,789 --> 00:20:59,679
he's had the same activity up there same

575
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:00,799
same situations

576
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:02,640
you can see it with you know he can see

577
00:21:08,230 --> 00:21:03,840
it but

578
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:08,240
you can walk around his farm and uh

579
00:21:12,630 --> 00:21:10,640
it looks like a snowstorm of orbs oh

580
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:12,640
well all around yeah it's

581
00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:17,360
weird what causes that like just in

582
00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:19,360
some regions i don't know you know i

583
00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:20,400
think there's

584
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:22,640
there is a tie i mean of course i i feel

585
00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:25,440
there there may be some spiritual

586
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:27,919
in you know involvement there but when

587
00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:29,200
it gets to the point where

588
00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:32,480
you see these orbs and such density

589
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:34,240
i think it's a little beyond that i

590
00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:36,559
think there may be some non-terrestrial

591
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:39,679
activity going on there and you know

592
00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:41,679
there have been there has been a lot of

593
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:44,159
um he has experienced a lot of

594
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:48,880
uh um ufo activity

595
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:52,159
and he has in one instance seen an

596
00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:55,840
entity leave or

597
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:59,360
walk out of a craft so

598
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:01,200
yeah well that's a whole other ball game

599
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:02,880
yeah so there's a lot of stuff going on

600
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:04,000
up there

601
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:06,480
let alone the habituation with the

602
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:08,400
bigfoot maybe that's why we didn't go

603
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:11,200
i mean i don't know you know we we're

604
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:12,000
talking about a couple

605
00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:14,159
years ago but um yeah it's been about

606
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:15,280
three years ago we were gonna play in

607
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:16,400
that trip up there

608
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:18,240
yeah i don't know things just didn't

609
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:19,520
work out

610
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:21,600
so uh you know if he still wants us come

611
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:23,120
up here and maybe we'll go up one dude

612
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:25,120
who knows you never know

613
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:27,919
once we get mobile there's no stopping

614
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:28,559
us guys

615
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:31,760
no stopping us so we did want to talk

616
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:33,120
about a couple more things on phantoms

617
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:34,559
and monsters tonight but i took you off

618
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:36,080
on a couple tangents i'm sorry

619
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:37,919
i mean i got one thing here i can talk

620
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:41,039
about real quick this is um

621
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:43,520
this is a story i got the other day i

622
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:46,400
mean it actually came um

623
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:49,440
this is one that was sent to me okay and

624
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:52,720
uh pretty interesting uh i call it a

625
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:56,000
restaurant x uh we'll try to get through

626
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:56,799
this

627
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:59,520
quick as i can i'd like to thank you for

628
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:01,200
your website appreciate what you let

629
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:02,559
people tell the story

630
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:04,480
without horse judgment that is why i

631
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:06,640
decided to contact you

632
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:08,240
i have come to the conclusion that i'm

633
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:10,799
just someone who has had odd experiences

634
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:12,559
i've had things happen to me since then

635
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:14,000
i was a kid

636
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:17,280
yada yada okay um

637
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:20,720
one experience still bothers me uh

638
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:23,600
since i can't figure out a category in

639
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:24,480
which to put it

640
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:27,600
it is an experience i had many years ago

641
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:30,320
and uh he's gonna go ahead into it

642
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:32,159
hearing so it's an incident

643
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:33,919
i've been a reminder of when i was in

644
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:36,159
chicago for a tourist weekend

645
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:38,559
with a woman i was dating we had been

646
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:40,400
the yard institute

647
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:42,159
during the day on saturday it was a

648
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:43,520
saturday in august of 8

649
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:46,640
1988 or 89. i know

650
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:49,120
i was a graduate in graduate school at

651
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,400
the time

652
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:52,320
after we had left the art institute we

653
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:53,840
walked around the area in the windows

654
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:55,760
shop until about eight pm

655
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:57,200
we were both getting hungry so we

656
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:59,600
decided to find a place to eat

657
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:01,360
we met she mentioned that there were

658
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:03,440
supposed to be good restaurants in a

659
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:04,000
warehouse

660
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:06,559
district a little north of where we were

661
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:09,520
so we drove a little and parked the car

662
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:10,799
in what seemed like a rather

663
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:12,880
questionable area there were plenty of

664
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:13,600
people

665
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:17,120
about so it also

666
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:20,320
seemed to be okay we walked a few blocks

667
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:21,919
and were in what seemed to be a

668
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:24,240
construction area or maybe a destruction

669
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:24,799
area

670
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:26,880
they seemed to be tearing a building

671
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:27,840
down

672
00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:30,159
next to this lot was a multi-level

673
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:31,919
building but not tall enough to be a

674
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:32,960
skyscraper

675
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:35,679
maybe 10 to 12 floor office type

676
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:36,880
building

677
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:39,520
this area was devoid of other people and

678
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:41,360
the building seemed to be shut down for

679
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:42,640
the weekend

680
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:44,559
but we walked right up to the front door

681
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:46,320
and went in the building there was a

682
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:47,919
hallway that stretched out to both

683
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:49,840
directions to the left and right

684
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:51,679
on the wall in front of us was a sign

685
00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:53,679
that read s restaurant

686
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:57,919
s there were two

687
00:25:01,909 --> 00:25:00,320
heavy appearing wood doors just down the

688
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:01,919
hallway to our left

689
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:04,640
we walked to the doors open one of them

690
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:06,640
and stepped into a very dimly lit

691
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:07,679
restaurant

692
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:10,720
a scene of devoid of people

693
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,720
all of a sudden a woman appeared out of

694
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:14,880
nowhere and asked us to follow her

695
00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:16,640
she was dressed in a dark suit and was

696
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:18,559
carrying menus

697
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:22,000
uh she sat us at

698
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:23,840
a square table near the center of the

699
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:26,159
restaurant gave us our menus and a wine

700
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:28,240
list and walked away

701
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:31,600
we were descended upon by three uh

702
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:34,640
waiter staff one woman and two men

703
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:36,960
i don't remember much about their

704
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:38,240
appearance other than they were all

705
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:40,480
dressed in clean white chefs coats

706
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:42,960
and dark pants don't really didn't

707
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:44,559
really see the pants but it was dark

708
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:45,200
garment

709
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,559
so i assumed they were wearing pants

710
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:48,400
that will be took our orders then

711
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:50,080
instructed men to carry out their

712
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:54,159
our request one guy

713
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:56,960
was the wine guy who would run over and

714
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:57,360
pour

715
00:26:02,149 --> 00:26:00,240
wine whenever our glasses were a bit low

716
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:02,159
and the other guy was a water guy doing

717
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:03,919
the same thing

718
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:06,240
uh the woman took her food over order i

719
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:07,360
remember i ordered

720
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:10,799
skate one angel hair pasta with lemon

721
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:12,000
butter sauce

722
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:14,080
i remember that because i had never seen

723
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:15,840
skate on a menu before

724
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,360
and honestly i haven't seen it on the

725
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:19,679
menu since it was delicious

726
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:21,840
the wine was excellent and odd odd

727
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:23,520
because we ordered one bottle of wine

728
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:24,000
and drank

729
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,320
from it all night we probably consumed

730
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:28,559
about three bottles worth

731
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:30,799
and we didn't get drunk but we should

732
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:32,799
have had at least been tipsy

733
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:35,120
as we were eating no one else came into

734
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:36,159
the restaurant

735
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:37,679
we had the whole place ourselves the

736
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:39,360
wait staff would

737
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:40,960
uh stand out to the side of the

738
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:43,120
restaurant behind us where it was dark

739
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:44,799
and difficult to see them

740
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:46,640
we finished our meal paid our bill and

741
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:50,400
left uh we talked about audit was

742
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:52,400
that we were there were no people around

743
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:54,159
and that no one else

744
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:56,720
the restaurant we went back to the hotel

745
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:57,760
and left

746
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:02,549
now this is where it really gets weird

747
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:04,960
at the time i was involved in a biathlon

748
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,240
racing

749
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,400
i was doing the coors light biathlon

750
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:10,720
biathlon in chicago next weekend

751
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:12,400
i will be traveling back chicago on

752
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:14,000
wednesday with a close friend who was

753
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:15,360
also in the race

754
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:17,760
we traveled to chicago stayed at the

755
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:19,279
race hotel the high

756
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:22,559
on walker drive got to the hotel and

757
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:24,399
in late afternoon packed and my friend

758
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:26,320
mentioned that she was getting hungry i

759
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,919
suggested going to

760
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:29,600
this great restaurant that i'd eaten at

761
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:31,279
that weekend before

762
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:33,840
it was pricey but it was worth it and i

763
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:35,600
mentioned that it was within walking

764
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:37,440
distance just north of our hotel

765
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:40,159
or the river i do not remember the

766
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:42,159
address but at the time i knew where it

767
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:44,320
was so we set off to walk

768
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:46,000
to the restaurant the early evening we

769
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:48,080
got to the corner where the building was

770
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:49,919
being torn down and there was the office

771
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:51,440
type building next door

772
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:52,720
the office building looked very

773
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:54,640
different more abandoned and if that

774
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:55,600
makes sense

775
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:58,640
like it had been empty sitting empty for

776
00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:00,720
some time

777
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:02,399
more run down maybe the building was

778
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:05,200
there however there was no restaurant x

779
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:07,600
again we could get in the building but

780
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:09,279
there was no sign on the wall

781
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:10,559
there were some desks in the hallway

782
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:12,880
there was some chairs turned upside down

783
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:14,399
they were dusty like they've been there

784
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:16,000
for a while there was also some

785
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:17,919
writing against graffiti on the hallway

786
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:20,480
wall those two heavy doors were not

787
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:22,159
there there was no evidence that there

788
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:24,799
was a restaurant x and anything in that

789
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:26,159
location

790
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:27,760
it looked like an abandoned office

791
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:29,600
complex that had been empty for

792
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:31,919
way more than four days at first i

793
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:33,440
thought i was mistaken

794
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,520
about where i was but i'm really good

795
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:37,679
with directors of locations

796
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:39,520
i looked around the neighborhood and it

797
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:41,360
was the right location it was the right

798
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:42,159
building

799
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:44,080
i was really confused a little upset my

800
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:45,440
friend suggested we just find a

801
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:46,880
different place to eat

802
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:48,240
she figured that the restaurant just

803
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:52,000
closed and i knew that was not right

804
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:54,080
we in a different place couple blocks

805
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:55,120
away

806
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:57,120
and went back to the hotel once we got

807
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:58,640
back to the hotel i looked in the phone

808
00:29:01,990 --> 00:28:59,360
book

809
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:02,000
no listening for restaurant x i called

810
00:29:05,540 --> 00:29:03,200
the information

811
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:05,550
no such business

812
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:07,120
[Music]

813
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:08,880
registration cart never even heard of

814
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:11,039
the place so on

815
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:14,480
i'm just going to cut this a bit um

816
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:16,080
so the woman i was dating was a

817
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:18,320
reference library at a high i mean iowa

818
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:19,279
state

819
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:22,640
library she uh she looked into it never

820
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:23,840
found the reference for

821
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:26,960
that location and uh she

822
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:30,640
said i'm he said i'm not crazy now

823
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:32,720
do i desire to focus attention myself i

824
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:33,840
just want to know

825
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:35,679
how to go about investigating the

826
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:37,039
experience

827
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:40,240
and uh you know i gave some suggestions

828
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:42,080
you know i've heard

829
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:43,679
i've heard these situations before and

830
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:45,840
oddly enough many career

831
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:46,960
in areas where there are a lot of

832
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:48,799
buildings like that you know i don't

833
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:49,760
know

834
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,840
if this was a time displacing from an

835
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:53,360
earlier period

836
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:55,520
or an actual entrance into an alternate

837
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:56,399
reality it's

838
00:30:02,789 --> 00:29:59,279
uh it's bewildering i mean it is very

839
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:04,230
yeah that was definitely an interesting

840
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:07,440
tale i so wanted to interrupt you and go

841
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:09,039
how did you like your eggs you know you

842
00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:11,039
said seated by the

843
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:12,880
the waitress but i didn't that was good

844
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:14,399
i i uh

845
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:17,600
i contained myself right so

846
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:20,159
i guess you don't get many reports like

847
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:21,279
that huh

848
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:23,120
that was an interesting one and yeah

849
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:25,760
these uh and those type of uh those type

850
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:26,720
of

851
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:30,960
time displacement dimensional

852
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:36,950
so i guess we ought to be bringing our

853
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:39,039
guest on uh

854
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:40,799
yeah let me go ahead and read his bio

855
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:42,640
here quick lon

856
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:44,559
william michael scott mike to his

857
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:46,159
friends has written multiple books and

858
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:48,080
many magazine features in print or

859
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:49,600
electronic book form

860
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:51,520
as well as contributions to both fiction

861
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:54,960
and non-fiction anthologies

862
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:56,880
he's written about paranormal phenomena

863
00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:58,880
comparative myth religion and folklore

864
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:01,279
ufos cryptozoology pulp

865
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:03,360
adventure science fiction fantasy

866
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:05,679
fiction and art and education topics

867
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:07,120
he's been a guest on an access

868
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:08,880
of 40 national and internationally

869
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:10,720
syndicated radio programs

870
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:12,399
and currently he's one of the co-hosts

871
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:14,320
at the weekly radio program

872
00:31:21,669 --> 00:31:19,269
dot www.outeredgeradio.com mike's

873
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:21,679
personal website is www

874
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:26,480
dot m-o-t-t-i-m-o-r-p-a-p-h-i-c

875
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:29,120
dot com matt morphic musings where info

876
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:30,640
about his writing in a gallery of his

877
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:32,000
artwork can be found

878
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:34,000
and he also has a facebook fan page

879
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:35,519
which you can get on the website he can

880
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:38,240
be reached through his website as well

881
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:40,000
we're glad to have mike on the show with

882
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,279
us tonight we're going to be talking

883
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:43,440
about his book

884
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:46,080
and much more topics when we come back

885
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:47,120
from this break

886
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:49,600
stay tuned folks we'll be right back

887
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:50,720
after a little

888
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,480
song that i'm dedicating to my good

889
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:54,480
friend mr oni wells

890
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:57,440
passed away at the age of 33 a couple

891
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:58,080
weeks ago

892
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:59,440
friend of mine that i went to school

893
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:01,120
with and worked with and

894
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:03,760
uh we're gonna miss mr oni so folks

895
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:04,559
catch us

896
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:07,679
in about four minutes we'll be back

897
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:10,000
and folks welcome back arcane radio

898
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:10,960
shawn forker

899
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:14,000
lon strickler and our guest tonight mr

900
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:16,159
william michael mott likes to be known

901
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:17,919
as mike by his friends and we're glad

902
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:19,600
he could join us tonight mike thanks

903
00:32:23,509 --> 00:32:21,120
very much for coming on

904
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:23,519
uh you just wrote a new book caverns

905
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:24,960
cauldrons and concealed creatures well

906
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:28,480
not a new book

907
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:30,559
it's a third edition book but uh we're

908
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,840
glad you can come on and talk about it

909
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:33,600
with us so thanks for joining us

910
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:36,240
well i sure appreciate the invitation

911
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:37,120
our pleasure

912
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:38,960
so lon was really excited to get you on

913
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:40,559
here but i guess one question i like to

914
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:42,880
ask all my guests just to get us set up

915
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:45,360
is uh what got you into this this mic

916
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:47,279
what into this world of the

917
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:50,559
strange unusual the unexplained well

918
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:53,919
i always um was fascinated by both

919
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:55,760
you know science fiction science fact

920
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:57,200
and of course uh

921
00:33:01,430 --> 00:33:00,000
paranormal and 14 mysteries and even

922
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:01,440
from an early age you know when i was a

923
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,720
kid

924
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:04,320
i think i read my first hp lovecraft

925
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:05,760
story the dim witch horror when i was in

926
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:07,200
fifth grade which kind of

927
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:10,240
you know i was

928
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:11,600
basically bored with what people were

929
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:13,279
reading it you know what we were being

930
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:15,120
told to read in cl in the class and so i

931
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:16,880
was reading my own stuff then

932
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:18,080
and then about the same time i

933
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:20,080
discovered frank edwards

934
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:21,840
and uh his various books like strangely

935
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:24,159
enough and and so forth and

936
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:26,000
i believe scholastic book services

937
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:27,679
actually offered those and it wasn't

938
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:28,559
much of a

939
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:31,200
jump from frank edwards to john keel and

940
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:32,880
and uh brad steiger and

941
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:36,000
and all the old great uh 14 riders and

942
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:37,279
uh so you know as

943
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:40,720
i was uh coming along over the decades i

944
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:42,960
was re reading and writing a variety of

945
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:43,679
things

946
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:46,960
uh both fiction and non-fiction and

947
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:48,480
you know after studying folklore

948
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:50,320
mythology for a very long time from a

949
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:53,279
very early age actually i

950
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:55,120
i discovered that there were parallels

951
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:56,640
that i was seeing with all of these

952
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:57,600
topics

953
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:00,720
there were certain patterns that of

954
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:03,039
certain archetypes that would come up

955
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,320
again and again

956
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:06,960
and no matter where you were around the

957
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:08,000
world

958
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:11,200
time or place culture the same pattern

959
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:12,079
seemed to uh

960
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:13,919
to appear again and again and that

961
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:15,119
really kind of got my

962
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:19,359
my interest interesting

963
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:22,960
um you know for the most part do you

964
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:24,399
think

965
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:28,480
that these um these subterranean

966
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:30,720
humanoids or

967
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:34,399
whatever or just mythic beings

968
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:36,560
i think that you have a certain amount

969
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:37,919
of

970
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:41,440
on

971
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:42,960
what you know what joseph campbell

972
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:44,480
called the energies of the body

973
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:46,320
the the archetypal things which are very

974
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:48,159
primal but then you're going to have

975
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:49,200
other things

976
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:50,800
and i think that they're more than

977
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:52,639
people actually want to admit

978
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:54,879
that are based in fact you know almost

979
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:56,720
all folklore is based in fact

980
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:59,520
i mean we can see this even now with

981
00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:01,119
things like roswell becoming part of the

982
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:02,320
folklore

983
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:03,839
we call it popular culture but really

984
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:05,359
that's what it is it's our

985
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:08,240
our modern version of folklore or or the

986
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,320
you know the great airship mystery or

987
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:12,720
even uh guys like jesse james and you

988
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:14,320
know and billy the kid they're now

989
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:16,400
they're now part of folklore

990
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:20,079
and a lot of times folklore does have a

991
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:20,800
root

992
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:22,880
a foundation in fact there's somewhere

993
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:24,400
there's a kernel of truth

994
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:25,680
you know around which all these things

995
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:27,760
have grown and i think that that happens

996
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:29,119
a lot with these types of

997
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:32,400
of topics so

998
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:34,720
um do you think do you think they're

999
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:36,720
kind of used more stuff as metaphors

1000
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:37,760
just like

1001
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:40,160
you know you know you the parallels in

1002
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:41,359
the bible and the

1003
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:44,480
epics of gilgamesh were you know people

1004
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:44,800
are

1005
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:48,720
uh

1006
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,800
these legends are kind of used more so

1007
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:52,400
as metaphors

1008
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:54,079
though they even but they could be

1009
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:56,240
actually flesh and blood

1010
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:57,680
well sure i think that you know you're

1011
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:59,520
looking at it different aspects of the

1012
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:01,200
same thing i mean you can

1013
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:03,839
see them as metaphorical and that they

1014
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:05,440
they may carry a very valuable lesson

1015
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:06,880
they may teach a lesson but at the same

1016
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:07,760
time

1017
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:09,200
there could be a kernel of truth to any

1018
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:10,480
and all of them or even some of them

1019
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:11,680
could be literally

1020
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:14,400
factually true when you start seeing um

1021
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:16,480
parallels between for instance

1022
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:19,599
uh the nephilim tales from from the old

1023
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:20,400
testament and

1024
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:22,880
the various apocryphal spiritual books

1025
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:24,400
that have been removed from the bible

1026
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:26,079
really you know after christianity had

1027
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:27,440
already started they took those books

1028
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:28,079
out

1029
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:30,320
um when you start seeing these these

1030
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:31,359
parallels with that

1031
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:33,839
and and then uh you know the epic of

1032
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:34,880
gilgamesh or

1033
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:36,800
or the the ancient greek myths you know

1034
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:38,720
with the the demigods like hercules and

1035
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:39,520
so forth

1036
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:42,000
who are part supposedly divine what the

1037
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:42,960
you know what the uh

1038
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:44,000
the ancient hebrews would have called

1039
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:46,560
fallen angels um for their fathers but

1040
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:48,640
of course the greeks called them gods

1041
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:49,920
when you start seeing these parallels

1042
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,839
around the world you know not just in

1043
00:36:55,349 --> 00:36:53,520
that mediterranean region

1044
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:55,359
but you know you go to uh to china you

1045
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:56,800
have the dragon kings

1046
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:58,320
you go to japan you have the dragon king

1047
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:00,800
of the sea and things of this nature

1048
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:03,200
and and so you see these beans these

1049
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:05,040
same stories again and again the same

1050
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:05,760
theme

1051
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:07,359
of wanting to intermingle with human

1052
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:09,280
beings and and there's something that

1053
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:10,800
something genetically that human beings

1054
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:12,800
have that these beings seem to

1055
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:14,720
want and then you bring that all the way

1056
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:15,920
up to the present day

1057
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:17,520
with modern day stories about so-called

1058
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,040
alien abductions and

1059
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:21,520
and uh you know genetic experimentation

1060
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,640
hybridization

1061
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:24,480
this sort of thing it's the same story

1062
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:26,240
it's the same stuff it's just

1063
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:28,720
the the the the update the presentation

1064
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:29,680
has changed

1065
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:32,400
the the sky is being presented the mask

1066
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:33,520
is a little bit different

1067
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:36,400
but it's really the same stuff well i

1068
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:37,520
like how you

1069
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:39,520
broke the book up in the you know the

1070
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:40,800
east the west

1071
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:42,560
and then the new world with native

1072
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:44,160
america uh

1073
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:47,359
mesozoic um you know

1074
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:50,800
maya aztec yeah even incense the

1075
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:54,000
anasazi but um you know

1076
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,520
the the the beings that are

1077
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:59,280
that were described that had been

1078
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:00,640
described

1079
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:04,240
by uh native american cultures and

1080
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:07,839
mesoderm zoic uh

1081
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:10,880
cultures seem to kind of hit more home

1082
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:13,359
i mean you kind of sense that i mean in

1083
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:14,240
other words

1084
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:19,200
they they they don't seem to be

1085
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:23,440
uh as mythic or possibly

1086
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:24,720
you know well they don't they don't seem

1087
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:26,800
as distant in the past that's right

1088
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:28,480
that's removed in time i think you know

1089
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:30,000
i think you have you have you know

1090
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:31,920
legends in the in the americas a lot of

1091
00:38:34,470 --> 00:38:32,880
legends about

1092
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:34,480
these native american tribes that came

1093
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:36,800
into conflict with with these different

1094
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:40,079
uh um groups of uh uh giants you know

1095
00:38:44,829 --> 00:38:41,599
cannibalistic giants and

1096
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:44,839
and uh interlopers from different uh

1097
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:48,000
um uh different realms a lot of times

1098
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:49,040
from the underworld

1099
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:51,040
or from the sky or or whatever the case

1100
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:53,520
may be but they don't seem like

1101
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:55,520
they they seem to be more immediate in

1102
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:57,760
terms of even though the people will say

1103
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:59,359
it happened you know a long time ago

1104
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:01,200
but then then they can show you what

1105
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:02,880
happened here and this is where

1106
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:04,640
you know the giant put his hand and this

1107
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:06,480
is this is the these are the caves that

1108
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:06,880
we came

1109
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:07,920
out of when we immersed in the

1110
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:10,400
underworld things like that and so

1111
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,839
you know these things are a lot more

1112
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:13,440
immediate than they are say in the old

1113
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:14,320
world

1114
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:20,470
yeah i mean uh you know i i look at the

1115
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:21,119
um

1116
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:24,960
it was the one legend i look at

1117
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:26,960
more than any other sizing the ant

1118
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:28,079
people

1119
00:39:35,069 --> 00:39:31,119
and uh the fact that

1120
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:35,079
uh it does seem that this may be an

1121
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:38,079
extraterrestrial or non-terrestrial type

1122
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:38,800
of uh

1123
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:42,079
entity that they encountered and it does

1124
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:43,200
seem that a lot of the

1125
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:47,119
uh the native american uh

1126
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:50,400
beings do

1127
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:53,440
kind of represent visitors as

1128
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:56,640
opposed to uh

1129
00:40:02,310 --> 00:39:58,720
those beings that are underground or are

1130
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:03,990
yeah yeah and it seems like a lot of

1131
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:06,400
times that there's a memory of

1132
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:08,240
of people coming from somewhere else you

1133
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:10,000
know in other words

1134
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:12,640
um we had an encounter for us when with

1135
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:13,680
the anasazi or

1136
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:16,319
or the hopi and the ant people you know

1137
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:17,839
it's it's as if

1138
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:20,880
well you know these these beings

1139
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:22,720
helped us through a cataclysmic time and

1140
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:24,319
then you know we emerged from where they

1141
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:24,960
had us

1142
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:26,720
in a safe location beneath the surface

1143
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:28,079
and and now we're back here

1144
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:29,760
in the surface world and then you'll

1145
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:31,200
have the legends of the

1146
00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:32,800
of the apache who talk about the old

1147
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:35,200
fire land which sank in the

1148
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,720
in in their what would have been their

1149
00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:38,400
eastern ocean which of course is the

1150
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:38,960
atlanta

1151
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:41,359
the atlantic ocean and the old fire land

1152
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:43,200
exploded and sank within the space of a

1153
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:44,079
day

1154
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:45,680
and their ancestors supposedly escaped

1155
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:47,440
by means of tunnels and boats

1156
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:50,160
you know so you have all these stories

1157
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:51,920
of these cataclysmic ancient events but

1158
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:53,440
they really don't seem

1159
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:54,800
it it seems like they have a more

1160
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:56,480
immediate feel to them

1161
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:57,839
now this does this mean there could have

1162
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:59,520
been you know multiple cataclysms and

1163
00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:00,319
multiple

1164
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:02,000
events well you know who knows maybe so

1165
00:41:05,589 --> 00:41:03,520
i mean we know that

1166
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:05,599
that there was a major event about 10

1167
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:07,599
000 bc worldwide

1168
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:09,040
but since that time there have been

1169
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:10,800
other you know other extinction events

1170
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:11,520
and other

1171
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:13,119
smaller cataclysms and things of this

1172
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:15,040
nature so you know were there other

1173
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:16,640
civilizations helping these people

1174
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:19,440
i mean it's very possible and of course

1175
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:20,160
you know

1176
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:21,920
i'm a diffuse diffusionist and that

1177
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:23,680
means that i believe that people from

1178
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:25,119
all over the world

1179
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:27,760
i'm not one of these people that

1180
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:29,200
believes that everybody in north america

1181
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,560
came from siberia

1182
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:32,720
more than everybody you know people will

1183
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:33,680
move around

1184
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:35,119
and that's why we have plenty of

1185
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:36,400
evidence of this you know different

1186
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:37,359
cultures coming

1187
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,960
to north america and south america and

1188
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,560
central america and

1189
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:42,480
intermingling and being absorbed and you

1190
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:44,079
know and that's just the way

1191
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:46,160
people work that's the way things work

1192
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:47,680
and i think that some of these memories

1193
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:48,640
may be

1194
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:50,480
um memories of some of those visitations

1195
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:53,200
from other cultures as well

1196
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:55,760
do you um i know you've been on ancient

1197
00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:57,119
aliens the tv

1198
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:00,319
show right how much of

1199
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:02,720
the theory or the overall theory do you

1200
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,119
subscribe to

1201
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:07,119
well i'll tell you it's interesting they

1202
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:08,400
they asked me to come on the show and

1203
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:09,599
say well are you an ancient alien

1204
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:12,319
theorist i said well you know

1205
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:14,880
you could say that if you want to but

1206
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:16,079
but you know to me

1207
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:18,480
to me an ancient alien i mean one guy's

1208
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:20,079
ancient alien is another guy's fallen

1209
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:20,640
angel

1210
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:23,680
okay when you know or one guy's another

1211
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:24,720
another person is ultra

1212
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:28,400
terrestrial okay i mean all an alien is

1213
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:30,800
is something that intellectually

1214
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:31,760
mentally

1215
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:33,920
uh maybe spiritually even physically is

1216
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:35,599
not us

1217
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:39,280
okay in other words

1218
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:41,599
this huge assumption that all these

1219
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:43,359
creatures come from planets far far away

1220
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:45,440
to me that's that's quite a stretch

1221
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:47,839
i think that most of this activity seems

1222
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:49,200
to be localized

1223
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:51,280
it always has been by localized i mean

1224
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:53,359
to the general vicinity of the earth

1225
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:55,839
um where the where the bounty is where

1226
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:57,520
the genetic diversity really is and

1227
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:58,960
always has been

1228
00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:00,720
and the solar system maybe the inner

1229
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:02,720
solar system maybe things started here

1230
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:02,960
and

1231
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:06,720
something that you hear a lot with

1232
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:08,480
with ancient alien theorists you know

1233
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:10,400
you hear they came from somewhere else

1234
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:10,720
and

1235
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:12,880
they see the earth you know panspermia

1236
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:14,640
or genetic engineering or whatever

1237
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:15,839
but there are a lot of holes in the

1238
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:17,280
theory okay there's a lot of holes

1239
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:19,280
incisions interpretation of things and

1240
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:20,079
so forth

1241
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:22,079
for instance you know if if you were an

1242
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:23,520
advanced civilization why would you

1243
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:24,240
bother

1244
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:27,040
to genetically engineer you know apes or

1245
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:28,640
eight men or hominids

1246
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:31,440
into minors if you're so advanced that

1247
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:32,720
you can travel through interstellar

1248
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:35,040
space why do why go to that much trouble

1249
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:37,119
you know why don't you just use machines

1250
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:38,960
you know build a robot

1251
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:41,839
you know you know we can do that today

1252
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:42,319
we use

1253
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:43,920
earth moving machines to do our mining

1254
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:46,319
now mostly i mean

1255
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:47,920
again it's the same old thing where

1256
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:49,520
there's just too many holes in the in

1257
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,560
the overall

1258
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:52,880
theory i believe that there were others

1259
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:54,560
that came here but i don't believe they

1260
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:55,680
were actually

1261
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:57,920
you know star trek style aliens i just

1262
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:59,839
don't i don't buy it i don't think it's

1263
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:00,640
logical

1264
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:03,280
you know you have people say today well

1265
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:03,839
you know they

1266
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:05,599
they they're coming here for genetics

1267
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:07,359
and all this kind of stuff well

1268
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:09,520
let's look at this logically you know if

1269
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:10,880
if first of all

1270
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:13,200
everything is seen for the most part

1271
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:15,280
like 99

1272
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:17,359
of the so-called aliens that are seen

1273
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,319
really do not

1274
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:20,640
fall very far at all from the earthly

1275
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:21,760
vertebrate template

1276
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:24,240
in other words one head two eyes you

1277
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:25,520
know a mouth

1278
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:27,280
two arms two legs you know bilateral

1279
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:28,640
symmetry in the body

1280
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:31,040
you know it's just basically mammalian

1281
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:32,400
reptilian

1282
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:34,720
uh amphibian or a variety of these

1283
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:35,440
features

1284
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:37,119
you know mercy in other words with the

1285
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:38,560
biodiversity of the earth

1286
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:40,319
even though it first shocks somebody

1287
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:42,160
well if you never saw an elephant before

1288
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:43,440
if you've never seen an elephant or a

1289
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:44,720
hermit crab you'd be like what in the

1290
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:46,400
world is that you know

1291
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:47,520
you know you wouldn't believe it came

1292
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:49,440
from the same genetic diversity that you

1293
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:50,319
came from

1294
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,800
but it does okay so i think that a lot

1295
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:54,160
of this these encounters people have

1296
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:56,000
where they're convinced these are aliens

1297
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:58,160
or they're told

1298
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:59,760
in terms of disinformation well yeah

1299
00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:01,359
we're aliens we come from far

1300
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:02,720
you know don't look here don't look

1301
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:04,400
under the ocean don't look under those

1302
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:04,880
mountains

1303
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,240
look up there see those stars up there

1304
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:08,079
that's where we come from and you know

1305
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:09,280
this this is something that's always

1306
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:10,319
going on whether it was

1307
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:12,000
zeus you know up on olympus what you

1308
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:13,680
can't i can come down and i can take

1309
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:15,119
your your daughters and do all these

1310
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:16,240
things to them and

1311
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:17,599
have my fun and you can't do anything

1312
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:18,720
about it because look i live away up

1313
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:19,920
there on top of olympus

1314
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:21,520
you know you can't possibly reach me up

1315
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:22,960
there well you know there comes a point

1316
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:25,119
at which we could reach top of olympus

1317
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:28,319
so then you know it's a new game a new

1318
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:30,000
game starts a new hiding place

1319
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:31,599
and now it's it's though we're from the

1320
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:34,000
stars well let's look at this logically

1321
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:35,359
i mean if you were to come

1322
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:37,359
if you're a spacefaring race and you

1323
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:38,960
have the ability to say create a

1324
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:40,079
wormhole

1325
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:42,720
jump across the universe or you can

1326
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,359
travel at

1327
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:45,599
light speed or nearly light speed or if

1328
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:47,440
you can warp space

1329
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:49,599
you know any of these things that you

1330
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:50,560
suppose it would have to

1331
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:53,119
do to travel in you know interstellar

1332
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,000
distances

1333
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:56,880
your science would be so vast that if

1334
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:58,319
you had something genetically

1335
00:46:01,750 --> 00:46:01,359
wrong with your species you will be able

1336
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:01,760
to

1337
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:06,160
correct any genetic errors

1338
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:08,319
you'll be able to reprogram your dna

1339
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:10,000
we're almost at the point now we're at

1340
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:10,960
the verge

1341
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:13,599
of a genetic technology revolution as

1342
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:15,200
human beings where we'll be able to

1343
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:16,800
you know correct genetic errors and this

1344
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:18,800
kind of stuff so

1345
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:22,000
why would we assume just because

1346
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:23,359
somebody tells us they come from far

1347
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:24,079
away or they

1348
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:25,760
they seem to indicate that they that

1349
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:27,119
they do or they want us to believe that

1350
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:28,000
they do

1351
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:29,119
why are we going to believe they

1352
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:31,040
actually come from that far away because

1353
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,640
why would they come all the way out to

1354
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:34,160
the edge of the galaxy

1355
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:35,839
to get genetic material if they're that

1356
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:37,520
scientifically advanced

1357
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:39,760
in other words if they're getting the

1358
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:41,839
material from us as an easy source

1359
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:44,000
it's because they view us as a resource

1360
00:46:48,309 --> 00:46:44,880
and it's because

1361
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:48,319
genetically and in terms of the

1362
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:51,520
biodiversity in origin they are a lot

1363
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:53,040
closer to us than they would have us

1364
00:47:05,270 --> 00:46:54,560
believe

1365
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:05,280
that these beings that we associate as

1366
00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:08,000
extraterrestrial non-terrestrial are

1367
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:08,480
actually

1368
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:11,599
our descendants coming back

1369
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:14,800
through through time

1370
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:18,800
and that's the reason why we're so close

1371
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:22,319
genetically to them uh

1372
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:23,520
what you thought what's your thoughts

1373
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:26,800
about that well you know i i look back

1374
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,559
at the the information that's presented

1375
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:30,960
and i see um related

1376
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,720
numerous stories of related closely

1377
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:34,400
related hominid forms

1378
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:37,359
and others that you know i mean for

1379
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:39,200
instance the the human genome project

1380
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:40,400
recently has revealed some very

1381
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:41,760
interesting things where

1382
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:44,319
for instance europeans are anywhere from

1383
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:46,640
two to four percent neanderthal

1384
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:49,839
um um people

1385
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:53,280
in uh east asia are

1386
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:54,800
you know two to four percent neanderthal

1387
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:56,800
two per two percent

1388
00:48:02,230 --> 00:47:59,920
dna wise denisovan which is another

1389
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:02,240
species that was just recently uh

1390
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:03,599
discovered and now they should say they

1391
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:04,800
discovered another unknown

1392
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:06,319
uh hominid in that region that may have

1393
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:08,640
been absorbed by populations there

1394
00:48:11,829 --> 00:48:10,720
sub-saharan africans again they have an

1395
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:11,839
entirely different

1396
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:14,960
ancient hominid line that has now been

1397
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:17,200
actually isolated and identified but

1398
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:19,440
only this one's on the y chromosome

1399
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:22,319
and it's even older so you know we may

1400
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:23,760
be looking at a real

1401
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:26,880
um you know planet of the apes or lord

1402
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:27,599
of the rings

1403
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:30,240
type situation where various hominid

1404
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:31,040
forms that were

1405
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:33,680
very closely related to each other

1406
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:34,640
interrupt you know

1407
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:36,800
they they intermingled and over time

1408
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:38,160
they became the racist of the

1409
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:40,000
of humanity that we have today kind of

1410
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:41,680
like different breeds of dogs i mean

1411
00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:43,119
it's no different

1412
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:45,440
or different types of canines and you

1413
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:46,960
know when you start looking at these

1414
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:48,000
actual scientific

1415
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,680
facts these truths that are now coming

1416
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:51,599
out you have to ask yourself well could

1417
00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:53,839
there have been other hominid forms

1418
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:55,839
or other closely related forms you know

1419
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:57,359
that that

1420
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:59,760
evolved to a high level of civilization

1421
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:00,960
and then

1422
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:02,319
ran into different types of problems

1423
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:03,920
genetic you know a genetic bottleneck of

1424
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:04,800
some kind

1425
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:08,319
or a genetic defect or um

1426
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:10,480
you know thermonuclear war whatever you

1427
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:12,079
know we have these these hints of these

1428
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:13,200
things that might have happened in the

1429
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:14,720
in the distant past

1430
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:17,599
and so we have to ask if people like

1431
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:19,119
that if they were that advanced

1432
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:20,240
let's say they had already had their

1433
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:22,720
singularity event okay

1434
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:25,200
they would be like gods to us even

1435
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:27,200
though they aren't gods

1436
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:29,599
and they would see us possibly or our

1437
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:30,559
ancestors

1438
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:32,960
as a resource you know to use to correct

1439
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:34,240
their genetic errors

1440
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:36,079
to use to interbreed with and this is

1441
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:37,680
something that you find

1442
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:39,040
you know in all the folklore and

1443
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:40,720
mythology and religious systems of the

1444
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:41,200
world

1445
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,559
you know in the bible you have the seed

1446
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:44,400
of the serpent the seat of the woman at

1447
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:45,599
war you know in the

1448
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:48,640
in in the hindu epics you have

1449
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:50,880
these various non-human races that seem

1450
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:53,200
to delight in kidnapping maidens

1451
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:55,280
and and mary and you know human maidens

1452
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:56,960
and things like this uh the fairy lord

1453
00:50:02,069 --> 00:49:58,400
northern europe's the same way

1454
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:02,079
uh young young youths and and maidens

1455
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:04,559
are often um you know seduced and taken

1456
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:05,200
away

1457
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:07,520
by uh humanoid beings for purposes of

1458
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:09,200
marriage and procreation

1459
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:11,040
and native americans have the same myths

1460
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:13,119
and you know in the far eastern

1461
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:15,760
the same thing so you have to wonder you

1462
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:17,200
know if where there's smoke there's not

1463
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:18,720
fire with some of this stuff and

1464
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:21,839
and the uh the ufo phenomenon seems to

1465
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:24,400
again tie into this because you have you

1466
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:26,079
know you have these ancient flying craft

1467
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:27,359
you have the vamana

1468
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:29,280
in the hindu epics and even the naga

1469
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:31,119
people the so-called reptilian race

1470
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:33,520
they have the mana you have uh um in

1471
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:35,200
northern europe you have the so-called

1472
00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:37,440
fairies that have the power of flight

1473
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:40,000
things of this nature and so you have to

1474
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:41,839
wonder if there's not

1475
00:50:45,020 --> 00:50:43,599
if there's not fire where you find all

1476
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:45,030
the smoke

1477
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:46,240
[Music]

1478
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:48,880
and you talk about time travel well my

1479
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:50,160
problem with time travel is

1480
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:53,119
is really very simple uh you know

1481
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:55,520
einstein said time travel was possible

1482
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:57,440
i believe what he said was you could go

1483
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:58,720
back but you could never go forward

1484
00:51:02,950 --> 00:50:59,680
again

1485
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:02,960
um and this would be

1486
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:05,119
in order to create you a this would be

1487
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:06,640
like a failsafe

1488
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,720
the universe would prevent you from

1489
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:10,800
visiting the same scene repeatedly

1490
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:13,760
okay the same time in other words that

1491
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:14,880
would create

1492
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:17,920
a problem with the with the continuum so

1493
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:19,440
there's some sort of failsafe built in

1494
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:20,960
there according according to the way

1495
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:22,319
einstein looked at it

1496
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:24,160
well also think about this i mean we're

1497
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:25,599
we're on a planet

1498
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:28,160
that's going around a star meanwhile

1499
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:30,480
that star system that we're in the solar

1500
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:31,280
system

1501
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:34,319
is going around the center of the galaxy

1502
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:36,240
so let's say that you could travel back

1503
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:37,359
in time

1504
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:39,599
how are you going to precisely pinpoint

1505
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:41,920
the exact location

1506
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:44,480
of the of the earth as it spins and then

1507
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:46,160
as it goes around the sun

1508
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:47,599
and as the sun goes around the center of

1509
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:49,920
the gap i mean the the logistics of it

1510
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:51,680
are beyond astronomical

1511
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:53,520
okay if you could travel in time you

1512
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:54,960
know you'd be just likely to

1513
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:57,599
you know to re-materialize in the wrong

1514
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:58,559
spot

1515
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:01,599
is not um unless there's something to do

1516
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:03,440
with gravity that we don't quite

1517
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:05,359
you know know yet where gravity's tied

1518
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:06,480
into space and time

1519
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:10,160
which very well could be but still it's

1520
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:11,920
a very

1521
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:15,520
precarious sort of a science to

1522
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:17,119
undertake i mean it would make

1523
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:19,920
interstellar traffic travel look look

1524
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:20,720
simple

1525
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:23,599
i would think so um i don't know you

1526
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:24,880
know who knows

1527
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:28,400
but go ahead

1528
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:30,160
i was just gonna say that i i think that

1529
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:32,720
the biodiversity of this planet

1530
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:34,720
points to uh and some of these strange

1531
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:37,200
forms that fit that biodiversity

1532
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:39,040
point to a hidden aspect of our own

1533
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:40,319
biosphere

1534
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:42,480
and in addition to the inner solar

1535
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:44,960
system which may all be interrelated

1536
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:46,640
and then if we go beyond that you know

1537
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:48,160
if you start looking

1538
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:51,119
at some of the quantum and and other

1539
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:52,880
types of uh

1540
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:54,480
weird physics stuff that we're now

1541
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:56,720
finding that we're now discovering

1542
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:58,640
you know we may be looking at things

1543
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:00,079
that are right here with us all the time

1544
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:03,359
also in addition to the hidden biosphere

1545
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:05,359
there could be a whole other aspect

1546
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:08,160
of you know other dimensional realities

1547
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:08,480
which

1548
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:13,119
words they still share the mass

1549
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:15,520
and the energy of this this planet and

1550
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:17,359
its gravitational well

1551
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:19,839
that it sits in they're here with us we

1552
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:21,680
just can't perceive them because

1553
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:24,079
they're on a different uh different a

1554
00:53:28,630 --> 00:53:26,079
different vibrational frequency

1555
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:28,640
a different uh dimensional level however

1556
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:29,599
you want to put it

1557
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:31,520
and every now and then they they they

1558
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:33,119
come across or maybe some of them have

1559
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:36,559
the ability to cross over at will

1560
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:39,280
well this kind of goes back to what i

1561
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:40,960
think that

1562
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:44,960
you know there there is the assumption

1563
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:45,520
that

1564
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:50,079
ufo activity uh alien activity or

1565
00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:52,319
extraterrestrial activity is

1566
00:53:56,069 --> 00:53:55,280
something that comes from other galaxies

1567
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:56,079
or other

1568
00:54:01,270 --> 00:53:59,280
planets yeah i feel

1569
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:01,280
for the most part now and because a lot

1570
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:02,640
of things that

1571
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:05,680
have been old to me a lot of things from

1572
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:07,119
witnesses and

1573
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:10,400
that we live and share

1574
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:13,680
a dimension with a lot of these beings

1575
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:17,920
right now and in other words uh

1576
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:20,480
they may be living here on this planet

1577
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:21,680
but just

1578
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:25,040
not on the surface yes they may be

1579
00:54:31,109 --> 00:54:26,400
living underground

1580
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:31,119
and if they are able to go back in time

1581
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:35,760
it might not be uh such a

1582
00:54:41,589 --> 00:54:40,000
impossible uh realization that you know

1583
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:41,599
they can do it while

1584
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:44,640
they still live on

1585
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:47,760
basically the same plane well you know i

1586
00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:49,359
recently had a

1587
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:51,839
an interview i did with gut with gaia tv

1588
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:52,480
a

1589
00:55:01,910 --> 00:54:59,680
you know do you believe in

1590
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:01,920
in the hollow earth you know the earth

1591
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:03,119
is hollow

1592
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:05,359
you know and honestly i believe that the

1593
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:07,680
earth is a big electromagnet with a

1594
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:09,920
solid nickel iron core which is spinning

1595
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:11,440
and superheated

1596
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:13,280
and you know i believe all the hard

1597
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:14,640
science on that is

1598
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:16,880
is accurate but does that mean that the

1599
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:20,079
hollow earth is not real well no because

1600
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:21,760
i mean if you're if you think in terms

1601
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:25,119
of of multiple dimensions

1602
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:27,680
there could be an aspect for instance to

1603
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:28,319
that

1604
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:30,640
incredibly powerful electromagnetic

1605
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:32,400
magnetic force

1606
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:35,200
that is creating a gravitational well

1607
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:36,720
that occasionally

1608
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:39,200
allows you to slip a certain point if

1609
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:40,559
you're a certain point on the globe at a

1610
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:41,280
certain time

1611
00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:43,359
and the conditions are just right where

1612
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:44,799
you can slip

1613
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:47,200
into that other reality which exists

1614
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:48,240
inside the planet

1615
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:51,839
but not in our physical dimension right

1616
00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:55,440
so in other words that's just one aspect

1617
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:56,799
of it you know when you start looking at

1618
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:58,400
the layers of the earth the earth is

1619
00:56:01,430 --> 00:56:00,480
highly stratified it's full of fissures

1620
00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:01,440
cracks

1621
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:03,119
caverns i mean they just recently

1622
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:05,200
discovered yet another gigantic cavern

1623
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:07,200
system and this one was in spain

1624
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:08,880
that was filled with gigantic crystals a

1625
00:56:11,829 --> 00:56:10,319
lot like the one in mexico

1626
00:56:13,270 --> 00:56:11,839
except the one in spain is not

1627
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:13,280
superheated not real hot you can

1628
00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:14,240
actually go in there

1629
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:17,359
you know and look around well

1630
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:18,720
think about this i mean you if you have

1631
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:21,359
a civilization that

1632
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:28,470
quantum computing and by quantum

1633
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:30,720
computing i mean using

1634
00:56:35,589 --> 00:56:33,200
the power of the quartz crystal for

1635
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:35,599
computing purposes

1636
00:56:38,950 --> 00:56:37,359
they could take a cave like that which

1637
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:38,960
i'm sure there are thousands and

1638
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:40,240
thousands of them throughout the crest

1639
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:42,319
of the earth

1640
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:45,599
turn it into a super computer and the

1641
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:46,559
power would be

1642
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:48,880
godlike it would be i mean we already

1643
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:50,880
know now we're just now finding that you

1644
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:51,520
could

1645
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:53,680
you can impact incredible amounts of

1646
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:56,319
data and energy and information

1647
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:59,119
on a tiny piece of quartz crystal okay

1648
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:00,480
and it's permanent

1649
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:03,280
it's permanent and if you start using

1650
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:05,520
this stuff for super computing purposes

1651
00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:06,559
you know there's no telling what you

1652
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:08,000
could do with it i mean it greatly

1653
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:09,599
speeds up the process

1654
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:11,280
and so something like that a discovery

1655
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:12,799
like that could lead to someone haven't

1656
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:13,520
had their

1657
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:16,160
singularity for their civilization where

1658
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:19,040
basically an ai becomes

1659
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:22,160
conscious that could have happened for

1660
00:57:26,309 --> 00:57:24,000
them thousands of years ago

1661
00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:26,319
at which point you have to wonder who

1662
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:28,160
won

1663
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:31,599
ai win

1664
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:33,920
yeah and does this not explain some of

1665
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:35,280
the weird things that we experience

1666
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:36,079
sometimes

1667
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:38,319
for instance some of our accounts yeah

1668
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:39,359
and some of the encounters that people

1669
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:41,119
have that are anomalous encounters they

1670
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:42,079
talk about

1671
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:44,640
it was almost nonsensical you know it is

1672
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:46,240
if the creatures or the beings don't

1673
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:48,160
know quite how to interact with humans

1674
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:49,839
they just don't get it they they don't

1675
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:52,160
seem to be able to emote properly

1676
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:54,000
they seem to be mimicking or putting

1677
00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:55,680
like a pantomime

1678
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:57,119
they're trying to communicate

1679
00:58:01,829 --> 00:57:59,520
symbolically and this is the way

1680
00:58:03,190 --> 00:58:01,839
an artificial intelligence would would

1681
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:03,200
attempt to react

1682
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:05,760
and interact with us i think and and you

1683
00:58:08,069 --> 00:58:07,280
know if if these beings became the

1684
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:08,079
slaves

1685
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:10,160
of the very thing that they created that

1686
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:11,440
mind explains uh

1687
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:14,400
entities such as the grace for instance

1688
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:15,040
you know

1689
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:17,440
they may be that may be the source of

1690
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:18,720
their hive consciousness

1691
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:20,640
they may all be you know helplessly

1692
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:23,839
locked into a symbiosis with this thing

1693
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:25,920
so you know these are all ideas that we

1694
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:27,680
we should start thinking about and you

1695
00:58:31,030 --> 00:58:28,319
know looking

1696
00:58:32,069 --> 00:58:31,040
looking at these things because if

1697
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:32,079
nothing else

1698
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:35,359
there are cautionary tales there for us

1699
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:38,880
yeah i think um i i think a lot of these

1700
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:41,920
lot of this phenomena uh is in the

1701
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:42,640
neighborhood

1702
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:45,359
i mean i'm not saying i'm talking earth

1703
00:58:48,549 --> 00:58:46,640
maybe the moon

1704
00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:48,559
but i i think it's in the neighborhood

1705
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:50,319
and um

1706
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:51,359
you know and you're talking about

1707
00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:53,760
electro electromagnetic

1708
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:58,079
uh energy i mean look i mean

1709
00:59:01,990 --> 00:58:59,920
if we didn't have it we wouldn't be here

1710
00:59:05,349 --> 00:59:02,000
and you know we'd be a cinder

1711
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:05,359
for for the most part and uh uh

1712
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:07,520
there are and it is proven that the

1713
00:59:12,309 --> 00:59:08,880
earth's surface has

1714
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:12,319
several hot spots uh and there are

1715
00:59:17,589 --> 00:59:15,440
several areas on the earth that have a

1716
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:17,599
lot of weird activity just like we know

1717
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:19,520
up in pennsylvania where

1718
00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:21,119
you know we've got a lot of weird stuff

1719
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:22,960
going on with specific areas

1720
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:26,160
it just seems that you know this may be

1721
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:27,920
what's actually going on you know i've

1722
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:30,160
had a lot of abduction

1723
00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:34,640
uh witnesses experiencers abductees

1724
00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:37,280
it you know uh describe these

1725
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:38,000
underground

1726
00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:41,200
caverns where they have been taken and

1727
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:44,319
uh even under under water uh

1728
00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:47,280
cities and such and it it it's

1729
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:48,160
consistent

1730
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:51,920
and uh yes it is

1731
00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:53,520
and it goes back it goes back into

1732
00:59:56,789 --> 00:59:55,520
antiquity you know the stories of the

1733
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:56,799
underground civilizations

1734
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:59,119
the sub-oceanic civilizations you know

1735
01:00:02,230 --> 01:00:01,119
the abodes of the so-called gods and i

1736
01:00:03,910 --> 01:00:02,240
say so-called

1737
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:03,920
here of course because i believe that

1738
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:05,520
most of these beings whether you want to

1739
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:07,760
think of them as fallen angels nephilim

1740
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:10,079
um you know ancient aliens whatever you

1741
01:00:12,630 --> 01:00:11,760
whatever your little term for them might

1742
01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:12,640
be

1743
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:15,839
basically

1744
01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:18,240
uh co-planetarians with us and that

1745
01:00:22,390 --> 01:00:20,000
doesn't mean that they did not

1746
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:22,400
at some point break away and go explore

1747
01:00:26,069 --> 01:00:23,760
the solar system they probably

1748
01:00:27,510 --> 01:00:26,079
did and some may be out there now you

1749
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:27,520
know doing their own thing but they know

1750
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:29,040
where their origins are

1751
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:30,400
which kind of ties in with some of the

1752
01:00:33,190 --> 01:00:31,920
things that they say to people you know

1753
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:33,200
this is our planet

1754
01:00:37,270 --> 01:00:35,599
you know you're you are our property you

1755
01:00:39,910 --> 01:00:37,280
know things like this

1756
01:00:40,710 --> 01:00:39,920
um which you would only say if you were

1757
01:00:44,390 --> 01:00:40,720
from here

1758
01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:44,400
okay oh yeah yeah so yeah

1759
01:00:47,670 --> 01:00:46,880
i've come to this conclusion a while

1760
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:47,680
back i mean

1761
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:49,680
and you even look at the great masters i

1762
01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:51,680
mean dante tolkien

1763
01:01:00,230 --> 01:00:56,480
h.g wells vern yeah i mean you know

1764
01:01:03,270 --> 01:01:00,240
they've been basing a lot of underground

1765
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:03,280
phenomena in for hundreds of years now

1766
01:01:08,470 --> 01:01:06,880
sure oh you know so you have to wonder

1767
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:08,480
if they didn't know something i mean

1768
01:01:12,789 --> 01:01:11,440
h.g wells was a of course he was a uh he

1769
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:12,799
was a fabian socialist and

1770
01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:14,400
among other things which is which is not

1771
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:17,200
too cool but he was a member of various

1772
01:01:20,230 --> 01:01:17,520
uh

1773
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:20,240
secret societies and you know you you

1774
01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:22,000
look at the things that he wrote and he

1775
01:01:25,670 --> 01:01:23,599
seemed to know just just in

1776
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:25,680
in the same way that jules verne seemed

1777
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:27,359
to know what was coming

1778
01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:29,680
and you know as if he was in the know as

1779
01:01:33,030 --> 01:01:30,880
if he had been told

1780
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:33,040
and he made uh different like in the

1781
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:33,920
time machine

1782
01:01:38,150 --> 01:01:36,480
he has you know that he almost perfectly

1783
01:01:41,109 --> 01:01:38,160
pinpoints the world wars

1784
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:41,119
uh you know warfare from the air and

1785
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:41,599
then

1786
01:01:46,069 --> 01:01:44,000
uh nuclear war and all this kind of

1787
01:01:48,789 --> 01:01:46,079
stuff but then he takes us further

1788
01:01:50,230 --> 01:01:48,799
and he shows us that there's a time in

1789
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:50,240
the future and who knows if that's not

1790
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:51,440
really now even though

1791
01:01:54,870 --> 01:01:52,880
in this book it's in the far distant

1792
01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:54,880
future when you know

1793
01:01:58,630 --> 01:01:57,119
he's one he's wanting us to understand

1794
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:58,640
metaphorically i think

1795
01:02:02,309 --> 01:02:00,720
that there's an unseen world there's

1796
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:02,319
there's a world under the surface

1797
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:03,680
and here we are on the surface that we

1798
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:05,520
live our happy little lives or so we

1799
01:02:07,750 --> 01:02:06,240
think

1800
01:02:09,349 --> 01:02:07,760
but we don't realize that we're we're

1801
01:02:11,829 --> 01:02:09,359
seen as a resource

1802
01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:11,839
by this other intelligence this other

1803
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:12,720
darker

1804
01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:15,839
um colder more um

1805
01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:17,520
primitive in some ways but more advanced

1806
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:19,920
in some ways intelligence which is alien

1807
01:02:23,349 --> 01:02:20,720
to us

1808
01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:23,359
but it also is from here and it is in

1809
01:02:26,470 --> 01:02:24,480
some way related

1810
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:26,480
and here you have his story the morlock

1811
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:28,079
who are the underground dwellers

1812
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:29,520
and the eloy who are the surface

1813
01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:32,160
dwellers and you know what was what was

1814
01:02:35,670 --> 01:02:33,680
wells trying to tell us

1815
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:35,680
there was something there that i think

1816
01:02:39,270 --> 01:02:37,680
he really was trying to convey

1817
01:02:41,029 --> 01:02:39,280
he wasn't allowed to say it because

1818
01:02:43,990 --> 01:02:41,039
again you know forbidden knowledge

1819
01:02:45,190 --> 01:02:44,000
uh you know top secret society stuff

1820
01:02:47,349 --> 01:02:45,200
probably but

1821
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:47,359
at the same time there's a message there

1822
01:02:51,029 --> 01:02:48,960
and he was trying to convey it

1823
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:51,039
symbolically i think and this is

1824
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:52,240
something that you find

1825
01:02:55,990 --> 01:02:54,880
in you know in numerous uh uh not just

1826
01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:56,000
in fiction but in

1827
01:03:03,029 --> 01:02:59,359
in various um folklore systems in and

1828
01:03:06,069 --> 01:03:03,039
folktale collections and and religious

1829
01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:06,079
teachings it's the same story it's just

1830
01:03:11,109 --> 01:03:09,119
you know are we paying attention it's

1831
01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:11,119
is this something we're supposed to get

1832
01:03:14,309 --> 01:03:13,200
you know instinctively are we supposed

1833
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:14,319
to just sort of

1834
01:03:17,750 --> 01:03:16,400
you know apprehend this and comprehend

1835
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:17,760
it and just kind of

1836
01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:19,760
it's there which i think to some extent

1837
01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:20,960
is the truth you know that's

1838
01:03:25,349 --> 01:03:23,839
how folklore works but it's sort of like

1839
01:03:25,990 --> 01:03:25,359
a defensive mechanism for the human

1840
01:03:29,430 --> 01:03:26,000
psyche

1841
01:03:30,309 --> 01:03:29,440
message there and we have to get that

1842
01:03:31,990 --> 01:03:30,319
message

1843
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:32,000
until we do we it would just do to

1844
01:03:34,950 --> 01:03:33,359
repeat the same old thing

1845
01:03:36,549 --> 01:03:34,960
and to be victimized if that's what's

1846
01:03:38,470 --> 01:03:36,559
going on

1847
01:03:40,230 --> 01:03:38,480
well let's put it now in context with

1848
01:03:42,309 --> 01:03:40,240
the the um

1849
01:03:44,150 --> 01:03:42,319
the cryptids that we're people are

1850
01:03:47,990 --> 01:03:44,160
seeing experiencing today

1851
01:03:49,589 --> 01:03:48,000
bigfoot the upright canine uh

1852
01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:49,599
and you know other things people are

1853
01:03:55,029 --> 01:03:51,359
seeing dinosaurs

1854
01:03:57,029 --> 01:03:55,039
pterosaurs from the past i mean who's to

1855
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:57,039
say that the dinosaurs still get me

1856
01:04:01,029 --> 01:03:59,440
i i don't get that i said the dinosaurs

1857
01:04:02,950 --> 01:04:01,039
are still getting me i don't

1858
01:04:04,789 --> 01:04:02,960
yeah i mean there have been you know

1859
01:04:05,829 --> 01:04:04,799
there people are seeing all kinds of

1860
01:04:09,109 --> 01:04:05,839
things

1861
01:04:09,750 --> 01:04:09,119
i mean yeah it's just not popping up you

1862
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:09,760
know it

1863
01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:11,599
it it may be popping up it's coming from

1864
01:04:16,470 --> 01:04:14,160
the underground uh maybe there's a maybe

1865
01:04:20,069 --> 01:04:16,480
there is a

1866
01:04:22,230 --> 01:04:20,079
a vast population of these beans

1867
01:04:23,829 --> 01:04:22,240
in the underground and they can just

1868
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:23,839
suddenly bring themselves onto the

1869
01:04:25,750 --> 01:04:24,240
surface

1870
01:04:27,029 --> 01:04:25,760
right right well that does seem to you

1871
01:04:28,549 --> 01:04:27,039
know that a lot of times you'll find

1872
01:04:30,870 --> 01:04:28,559
evidence of that i mean

1873
01:04:31,750 --> 01:04:30,880
there are of course numerous stories for

1874
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:31,760
instance of

1875
01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:33,280
of monsters and caves you know different

1876
01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:34,960
types of anomalous creatures that live

1877
01:04:40,069 --> 01:04:36,960
in caves they live in mines

1878
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:40,079
tunnels uh sumps

1879
01:04:43,589 --> 01:04:41,520
uh you know areas where the ground is

1880
01:04:45,670 --> 01:04:43,599
collapsed you know cars cars type

1881
01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:45,680
terrain formations and these are the

1882
01:04:48,870 --> 01:04:47,200
areas that often are supposedly haunted

1883
01:04:50,470 --> 01:04:48,880
by non-human beings

1884
01:04:52,630 --> 01:04:50,480
so you have to wonder if they don't come

1885
01:04:54,549 --> 01:04:52,640
out long enough to to do what they have

1886
01:04:57,029 --> 01:04:54,559
to do to get what they came to

1887
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:57,039
get and then they return to where they

1888
01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:58,319
came from

1889
01:05:02,309 --> 01:05:00,000
and you know this this could tie in a

1890
01:05:03,270 --> 01:05:02,319
lot with uh missing people you know

1891
01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:03,280
missing

1892
01:05:07,510 --> 01:05:06,720
with absolutely no explanation

1893
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:07,520
whatsoever

1894
01:05:10,549 --> 01:05:09,119
now i'm not saying that that's always

1895
01:05:13,270 --> 01:05:10,559
the case or that

1896
01:05:14,630 --> 01:05:13,280
people aren't being kidnapped or or by

1897
01:05:16,549 --> 01:05:14,640
psycho killers or

1898
01:05:17,829 --> 01:05:16,559
wandering off or trying to change their

1899
01:05:19,829 --> 01:05:17,839
identity which

1900
01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:19,839
of course that does happen runaways and

1901
01:05:22,789 --> 01:05:20,880
things like that but

1902
01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:22,799
when you look at the fact that 2200

1903
01:05:25,589 --> 01:05:24,880
people a day in the united states alone

1904
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:25,599
disappear

1905
01:05:29,670 --> 01:05:28,559
without a trace 2200 that are never

1906
01:05:32,789 --> 01:05:29,680
accounted for

1907
01:05:34,789 --> 01:05:32,799
that's a lot of people every day okay

1908
01:05:36,230 --> 01:05:34,799
then okay so here we are where the most

1909
01:05:37,510 --> 01:05:36,240
advanced society that the world

1910
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:37,520
supposedly has ever seen

1911
01:05:41,190 --> 01:05:39,599
as far as we know now we've got all this

1912
01:05:43,750 --> 01:05:41,200
technology we've got police we've got

1913
01:05:45,270 --> 01:05:43,760
all these other things the internet

1914
01:05:46,710 --> 01:05:45,280
twenty two hundred people a day vanished

1915
01:05:48,549 --> 01:05:46,720
without a trace in the united states

1916
01:05:50,069 --> 01:05:48,559
every day

1917
01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:50,079
extrapolate that out to the rest of the

1918
01:05:53,109 --> 01:05:51,760
world what about the third world

1919
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:53,119
how many people vanish in the third

1920
01:05:55,670 --> 01:05:54,160
world every day you never even hear

1921
01:05:56,870 --> 01:05:55,680
about it you'll never hear about it

1922
01:05:58,470 --> 01:05:56,880
you'll never know

1923
01:05:59,910 --> 01:05:58,480
how many people around the world does

1924
01:06:03,029 --> 01:05:59,920
this tap it to you know

1925
01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:03,039
it's almost as if you know if 2200

1926
01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:04,000
people in the united states

1927
01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:06,000
were dying every day of a disease or

1928
01:06:10,710 --> 01:06:08,000
being killed in a war

1929
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:10,720
the uproar in the media would be you

1930
01:06:15,270 --> 01:06:11,760
know deafening

1931
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:15,280
and it would not stop right

1932
01:06:21,109 --> 01:06:18,480
but sure it's as if we have this this

1933
01:06:22,870 --> 01:06:21,119
this protective mechanism this this this

1934
01:06:24,230 --> 01:06:22,880
thing where we just turn it off you know

1935
01:06:25,910 --> 01:06:24,240
we don't want to think about it we don't

1936
01:06:26,470 --> 01:06:25,920
want to know about it oh that's just

1937
01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:26,480
silly

1938
01:06:29,910 --> 01:06:28,160
that's just crackpot let's not talk

1939
01:06:30,870 --> 01:06:29,920
about that you know and we're just going

1940
01:06:33,670 --> 01:06:30,880
about our business

1941
01:06:35,430 --> 01:06:33,680
because the the idea of this is so

1942
01:06:37,829 --> 01:06:35,440
frightening to the collective

1943
01:06:39,029 --> 01:06:37,839
and the individual human psyche that it

1944
01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:39,039
would make it very difficult for most

1945
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:41,200
people to function

1946
01:06:47,190 --> 01:06:44,400
if they had to think about this and

1947
01:06:48,549 --> 01:06:47,200
this works to the advantage of whatever

1948
01:06:51,670 --> 01:06:48,559
is behind it i think

1949
01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:51,680
yeah yeah that we think that way um you

1950
01:06:54,390 --> 01:06:53,200
know we we have a tendency as human

1951
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:54,400
beings to

1952
01:06:58,470 --> 01:06:57,440
to downplay and ridicule things that

1953
01:07:00,230 --> 01:06:58,480
scare us

1954
01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:00,240
you know oh that's crazy that's a

1955
01:07:03,430 --> 01:07:02,319
crackpot that's this and that well look

1956
01:07:04,870 --> 01:07:03,440
what we do we

1957
01:07:06,710 --> 01:07:04,880
you know you talk to somebody who's had

1958
01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:06,720
a an encounter as you have

1959
01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:08,640
i'm sure london as i have they people

1960
01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:10,480
who've had encounters with big scary

1961
01:07:13,990 --> 01:07:13,039
hairy monsters okay they don't think

1962
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:14,000
it's funny

1963
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:16,319
they're not amused but then we have but

1964
01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:17,200
then we have

1965
01:07:20,549 --> 01:07:18,480
so how do we deal with that as a

1966
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:20,559
collective society what do we do

1967
01:07:24,150 --> 01:07:22,480
well we have harry and the hendersons

1968
01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:24,160
and we have a jet and we have uh you

1969
01:07:28,630 --> 01:07:25,440
know uh bigfoot

1970
01:07:31,029 --> 01:07:28,640
selling beef jerky okay or you know

1971
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:31,039
yeah or or we have you know you talk to

1972
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:32,720
people in ireland about about

1973
01:07:35,829 --> 01:07:34,480
uh certain types of beings and they're

1974
01:07:36,870 --> 01:07:35,839
not real amused by them they think

1975
01:07:38,069 --> 01:07:36,880
they're pretty scary they didn't want to

1976
01:07:39,990 --> 01:07:38,079
talk about them really

1977
01:07:41,910 --> 01:07:40,000
so what do we do over here in america we

1978
01:07:43,750 --> 01:07:41,920
take that same very scary bean and we

1979
01:07:46,150 --> 01:07:43,760
have him selling breakfast cereal

1980
01:07:48,549 --> 01:07:46,160
with you know yellow moons and green

1981
01:07:50,549 --> 01:07:48,559
stars and blue clovers

1982
01:07:52,069 --> 01:07:50,559
so in other words things that terrify us

1983
01:07:53,349 --> 01:07:52,079
we ridicule them and if we can't

1984
01:07:56,549 --> 01:07:53,359
ridicule them

1985
01:07:58,470 --> 01:07:56,559
then we try our very best to

1986
01:07:59,589 --> 01:07:58,480
turn them into objects worthy of

1987
01:08:02,470 --> 01:07:59,599
ridicule

1988
01:08:03,829 --> 01:08:02,480
into a joke you know until that night

1989
01:08:04,950 --> 01:08:03,839
when you're by yourself and you know

1990
01:08:06,230 --> 01:08:04,960
walking down the road and

1991
01:08:07,589 --> 01:08:06,240
you come face to face with something

1992
01:08:09,589 --> 01:08:07,599
like that then you're not going to think

1993
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:09,599
it's so funny

1994
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:11,359
well yeah i mean a lot of this goes back

1995
01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:12,720
to what um

1996
01:08:17,349 --> 01:08:14,640
david pelleties has been writing about

1997
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:17,359
with now and researching with the 4-1-1

1998
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:20,880
series uh where it's and he's

1999
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:22,319
specifically

2000
01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:25,440
targeting uh government

2001
01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:27,600
state forests and government mostly

2002
01:08:32,709 --> 01:08:29,520
government federal forests federal

2003
01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:32,719
uh protected areas and uh

2004
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:34,799
well who's to say the powers to be don't

2005
01:08:39,269 --> 01:08:37,199
know about this

2006
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:39,279
and that's why these areas are

2007
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:40,880
designated

2008
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:43,920
yes and who's to say that they have they

2009
01:08:46,309 --> 01:08:44,480
have

2010
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:46,319
finally realized that there really isn't

2011
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:48,080
anything they can do about it

2012
01:08:51,990 --> 01:08:51,120
yeah you know yeah i mean that makes it

2013
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:52,000
makes a lot of sense

2014
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:58,550
it really does going all the way back to

2015
01:09:01,349 --> 01:09:00,000
the very first edition of

2016
01:09:03,470 --> 01:09:01,359
of caverns cultures and concealed

2017
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:03,480
creatures which was written in

2018
01:09:08,470 --> 01:09:06,719
1999 in 2000 and then

2019
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:08,480
was first published in the first edition

2020
01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:11,120
under the first publisher

2021
01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:13,839
in 2000 january 2001 and then up to the

2022
01:09:18,630 --> 01:09:15,839
present time the third edition the same

2023
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:18,640
material still in there and then some

2024
01:09:21,910 --> 01:09:20,880
but i talk about these numbers and these

2025
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:21,920
missing people

2026
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:24,799
and i quote from government sources you

2027
01:09:29,189 --> 01:09:26,799
know published government sources

2028
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:29,199
and again the question is why is there

2029
01:09:33,430 --> 01:09:31,120
not an outcry about this

2030
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:33,440
you know why are people not concerned

2031
01:09:36,070 --> 01:09:35,040
and i'm glad to see what david politis

2032
01:09:38,229 --> 01:09:36,080
is doing because

2033
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:38,239
he's making it more mainstream and i

2034
01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:39,600
think one of the ways he is doing that

2035
01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:41,359
is he's trying

2036
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:43,440
we know what david believes pretty much

2037
01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:45,120
i mean we know what his research area

2038
01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:46,400
really is

2039
01:09:49,669 --> 01:09:48,880
but he tried he's presenting this

2040
01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:49,679
material

2041
01:09:56,470 --> 01:09:53,199
in a very cut and dried um

2042
01:10:00,790 --> 01:09:56,480
police uh

2043
01:10:03,189 --> 01:10:00,800
mentality presentation

2044
01:10:05,590 --> 01:10:03,199
without mentioning the weirder aspects

2045
01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:05,600
of what may actually be going on

2046
01:10:08,790 --> 01:10:07,840
who or what may be doing these things in

2047
01:10:11,350 --> 01:10:08,800
other words

2048
01:10:12,310 --> 01:10:11,360
he he there are hints there in in the

2049
01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:12,320
work

2050
01:10:15,350 --> 01:10:14,159
but his main focus is presenting that

2051
01:10:17,270 --> 01:10:15,360
this is going on

2052
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:17,280
that's his main focus showing that it's

2053
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:18,400
happening

2054
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:20,960
and you know that's important because at

2055
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:22,320
least it's going to make people more

2056
01:10:24,870 --> 01:10:23,360
aware

2057
01:10:26,950 --> 01:10:24,880
first of all of their surroundings and

2058
01:10:28,470 --> 01:10:26,960
what's going on and maybe it will make

2059
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:28,480
people think and start thinking hey you

2060
01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:29,600
know

2061
01:10:33,430 --> 01:10:31,360
we've ruled out the obvious we've ruled

2062
01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:33,440
out the supposed logical

2063
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:36,480
uh ideas or the usual suspects

2064
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:38,480
and now let's let's let's let's apply

2065
01:10:44,709 --> 01:10:40,719
you know apply occam's razor here

2066
01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:44,719
you know obviously oculus razor is

2067
01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:46,960
no matter how how outrageous something

2068
01:10:52,149 --> 01:10:47,840
seems

2069
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:52,159
at first the simplest answer is usually

2070
01:10:57,189 --> 01:10:54,960
the correct answer

2071
01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:57,199
no yeah once you start applying oculus

2072
01:11:00,070 --> 01:10:58,000
razor a lot of this

2073
01:11:01,910 --> 01:11:00,080
stuff it starts making a lot of sense

2074
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:01,920
and it does tie it with this

2075
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:04,320
with our own planet our own environment

2076
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:06,400
our our own biosphere

2077
01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:08,320
even if they are even if these are

2078
01:11:16,149 --> 01:11:10,480
aspects of our biosphere that normally

2079
01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:18,950
yeah it is it is something to think

2080
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:19,600
about

2081
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:26,310
i i don't know i i you know i i

2082
01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:28,800
believe that there is something to this

2083
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:31,760
uh it's just that

2084
01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:34,800
you know recently there had been on i

2085
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:35,440
don't know if you

2086
01:11:39,110 --> 01:11:37,600
you know about you probably do on reddit

2087
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:39,120
um

2088
01:11:43,990 --> 01:11:42,320
this uh search and rescue individual who

2089
01:11:46,149 --> 01:11:44,000
has been posting

2090
01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:46,159
some of the weirder things that he has

2091
01:11:52,830 --> 01:11:48,640
experienced on the job

2092
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:52,840
uh fronting

2093
01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:55,679
odd you know odd phenomena

2094
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:58,239
in when they're on you know these search

2095
01:12:02,470 --> 01:11:59,520
and rescue

2096
01:12:03,990 --> 01:12:02,480
missions uh you know which one i'm

2097
01:12:06,950 --> 01:12:04,000
talking about

2098
01:12:08,709 --> 01:12:06,960
i have heard this and i do remember like

2099
01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:08,719
about six or seven months ago

2100
01:12:11,910 --> 01:12:10,640
seeing some of this stuff but i haven't

2101
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:11,920
seen it since then

2102
01:12:15,669 --> 01:12:13,920
and i'm assuming that that you're saying

2103
01:12:17,990 --> 01:12:15,679
he's still doing it he's still right now

2104
01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:18,000
he was up until a couple months ago i

2105
01:12:22,470 --> 01:12:19,120
don't know he's kind of

2106
01:12:23,669 --> 01:12:22,480
i think he's got a a website now where

2107
01:12:26,229 --> 01:12:23,679
he's doing it i

2108
01:12:27,669 --> 01:12:26,239
you know i don't know how true it is uh

2109
01:12:30,630 --> 01:12:27,679
for the most part but i

2110
01:12:32,310 --> 01:12:30,640
i do know that i have over the years

2111
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:32,320
received

2112
01:12:39,430 --> 01:12:36,239
some very interesting uh

2113
01:12:40,149 --> 01:12:39,440
anomaly loaded letters from people that

2114
01:12:43,830 --> 01:12:40,159
worked in

2115
01:12:47,030 --> 01:12:43,840
rescue search and rescue yeah and uh

2116
01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:47,040
the one thing that he mentions

2117
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:50,320
that i have heard before

2118
01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:53,360
are these staircases that

2119
01:12:59,510 --> 01:12:57,360
show up in the middle of nowhere yeah

2120
01:13:01,189 --> 01:12:59,520
it's an audience i remember seeing that

2121
01:13:04,229 --> 01:13:01,199
story yeah

2122
01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:04,239
now i will say this having been you know

2123
01:13:07,990 --> 01:13:04,640
in

2124
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:08,000
and

2125
01:13:18,550 --> 01:13:15,840
back in the early part of the 20th

2126
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:18,560
century when people built houses

2127
01:13:22,070 --> 01:13:19,920
they would build their house out of

2128
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:22,080
lumber and sometimes they would put up

2129
01:13:25,430 --> 01:13:23,920
on concrete blocks and things of that

2130
01:13:27,910 --> 01:13:25,440
nature

2131
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:27,920
and they would elevate it off the ground

2132
01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:29,760
you know for obvious reasons

2133
01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:30,880
and then they would come in and they

2134
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:33,040
would build a concrete staircase

2135
01:13:37,990 --> 01:13:36,320
going up to it well over time everything

2136
01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:38,000
disappears even the concrete blocks

2137
01:13:40,790 --> 01:13:39,440
people come and get those

2138
01:13:42,550 --> 01:13:40,800
and the only thing you're left with out

2139
01:13:46,149 --> 01:13:42,560
there in the middle of nowhere

2140
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:46,159
is a 50 60 year old staircase

2141
01:13:50,950 --> 01:13:49,280
that does that does happen but it is

2142
01:13:52,390 --> 01:13:50,960
still very strange

2143
01:13:54,470 --> 01:13:52,400
uh some of the things he had to say

2144
01:13:56,950 --> 01:13:54,480
about you know some of the uh

2145
01:13:57,830 --> 01:13:56,960
the things that he had encountered were

2146
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:57,840
very very

2147
01:14:01,510 --> 01:14:00,400
very weird well i mean the condition of

2148
01:14:05,189 --> 01:14:01,520
some of the bodies

2149
01:14:09,110 --> 01:14:05,199
uh especially children

2150
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:09,120
is what really got uh like he'd find

2151
01:14:12,310 --> 01:14:12,000
you know some of the one in particular

2152
01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:12,320
where

2153
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:15,360
he he was he was told by supervisors to

2154
01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:16,080
go up on

2155
01:14:22,709 --> 01:14:19,600
in this tree i mean a huge tall tree

2156
01:14:23,990 --> 01:14:22,719
and there were like body parts of a

2157
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:24,000
child here and there

2158
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:28,400
uh yeah amazing stuff bodies that were

2159
01:14:33,430 --> 01:14:31,440
found on ledges that

2160
01:14:34,950 --> 01:14:33,440
are just impossible for someone to get

2161
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:34,960
there yeah

2162
01:14:39,189 --> 01:14:37,760
unless they had climbing equipment uh

2163
01:14:42,550 --> 01:14:39,199
stuff like that

2164
01:14:44,149 --> 01:14:42,560
yeah oh yeah and but you know these

2165
01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:44,159
things have always gone on

2166
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:46,400
yeah this is this is something that has

2167
01:14:49,270 --> 01:14:47,360
always happened

2168
01:14:50,709 --> 01:14:49,280
and this is why you know people think

2169
01:14:52,870 --> 01:14:50,719
that fairy tales are just little

2170
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:52,880
silly stories for kids or folk tales and

2171
01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:55,199
stuff but no these are cautionary tales

2172
01:14:58,870 --> 01:14:57,840
because people wanted to protect the

2173
01:14:59,750 --> 01:14:58,880
young they want to protect their

2174
01:15:01,510 --> 01:14:59,760
children

2175
01:15:02,790 --> 01:15:01,520
and so these these tales were talk we

2176
01:15:04,070 --> 01:15:02,800
talked about you know the

2177
01:15:05,830 --> 01:15:04,080
the different types of things that were

2178
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:05,840
in the woods that would get the kids you

2179
01:15:08,229 --> 01:15:06,400
know the

2180
01:15:09,590 --> 01:15:08,239
whether it was the witch with the with

2181
01:15:12,070 --> 01:15:09,600
the uh the uh

2182
01:15:13,590 --> 01:15:12,080
the alluring house or whether whether

2183
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:13,600
we're talking about the hairy trolls

2184
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:15,600
which we now know by different names

2185
01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:17,679
these all these different beans that

2186
01:15:21,669 --> 01:15:19,440
what we were warned about

2187
01:15:22,950 --> 01:15:21,679
through folklore and fables and fairy

2188
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:22,960
tales you know these

2189
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:25,360
these cautionary tales and and there's

2190
01:15:29,830 --> 01:15:26,640
they serve a purpose

2191
01:15:30,790 --> 01:15:29,840
when people

2192
01:15:32,950 --> 01:15:30,800
you know it's kind of like with the

2193
01:15:36,070 --> 01:15:32,960
victorians you know the victorians took

2194
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:36,080
um fairies fairy lord okay before the

2195
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:37,360
victorian age

2196
01:15:41,189 --> 01:15:40,560
there was nothing charming about fairy

2197
01:15:44,550 --> 01:15:41,199
tales

2198
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:44,560
fun

2199
01:15:51,270 --> 01:15:47,760
pretty cute about it these were very

2200
01:15:53,990 --> 01:15:51,280
dark tails the fairies didn't have wings

2201
01:15:55,350 --> 01:15:54,000
they were bloodthirsty right often oh

2202
01:15:58,149 --> 01:15:55,360
yeah frightening

2203
01:15:58,470 --> 01:15:58,159
cannibalistic sometimes demonic um but

2204
01:16:02,149 --> 01:15:58,480
the

2205
01:16:04,550 --> 01:16:02,159
insatiable lust for human genetics

2206
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:04,560
kidnapping children young maidens young

2207
01:16:07,669 --> 01:16:05,280
men

2208
01:16:08,630 --> 01:16:07,679
seducing people who would then disappear

2209
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:08,640
forever

2210
01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:10,560
things of this nature which is very

2211
01:16:12,790 --> 01:16:12,000
similar to what we're talking about with

2212
01:16:15,350 --> 01:16:12,800
people disappearing

2213
01:16:18,149 --> 01:16:15,360
today but we just don't look at it in

2214
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:18,159
that in that same way anymore

2215
01:16:21,350 --> 01:16:19,679
the victorians came along and they said

2216
01:16:22,870 --> 01:16:21,360
oh these are really neat stories these

2217
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:22,880
are good little stories to tell the

2218
01:16:26,390 --> 01:16:25,199
children but now we're going to sanitize

2219
01:16:27,750 --> 01:16:26,400
everything you know we're going to put

2220
01:16:29,669 --> 01:16:27,760
wings on everybody

2221
01:16:31,350 --> 01:16:29,679
and we'll have a nice little moral of

2222
01:16:33,510 --> 01:16:31,360
the story that we'll add

2223
01:16:34,630 --> 01:16:33,520
and all this kind of stuff and you know

2224
01:16:36,790 --> 01:16:34,640
they basically

2225
01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:36,800
almost destroyed their own folklore

2226
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:38,159
fortunately there were guys like

2227
01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:40,480
evans wentz and and william butler yates

2228
01:16:43,510 --> 01:16:41,760
and guys like that who would come along

2229
01:16:45,030 --> 01:16:43,520
and say no these are the actual

2230
01:16:46,950 --> 01:16:45,040
folktales the british isles this is how

2231
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:46,960
it actually goes and so they recorded

2232
01:16:51,270 --> 01:16:48,480
the actual stories

2233
01:16:52,630 --> 01:16:51,280
you know in spite of the the victorian

2234
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:52,640
attempt to

2235
01:16:57,750 --> 01:16:55,920
to uh whitewash everything

2236
01:16:58,950 --> 01:16:57,760
and and so again these are cautionary

2237
01:17:01,270 --> 01:16:58,960
tales and

2238
01:17:02,390 --> 01:17:01,280
you know they all have very close

2239
01:17:05,590 --> 01:17:02,400
parallels

2240
01:17:07,510 --> 01:17:05,600
with 14 and anomalous stories

2241
01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:07,520
that we hear today from eyewitnesses

2242
01:17:11,430 --> 01:17:09,120
it's they're the same stories

2243
01:17:14,870 --> 01:17:11,440
it's just that our interpretation has

2244
01:17:20,390 --> 01:17:17,510
yeah you know it's interesting because i

2245
01:17:23,830 --> 01:17:20,400
a lot of times when people will rape me

2246
01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:23,840
and uh there there are they are actually

2247
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:26,320
a lot of them afraid

2248
01:17:31,030 --> 01:17:29,280
to have their story or has you know them

2249
01:17:34,630 --> 01:17:31,040
their identity

2250
01:17:36,950 --> 01:17:34,640
uh recognized uh

2251
01:17:37,990 --> 01:17:36,960
just by the content though you know you

2252
01:17:39,110 --> 01:17:38,000
would look at the content you would

2253
01:17:43,110 --> 01:17:39,120
think well why are

2254
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:43,120
why are they so frightened about having

2255
01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:45,840
somebody find out who they are but there

2256
01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:47,679
there's definitely reason and i mean you

2257
01:17:50,950 --> 01:17:49,280
know

2258
01:17:52,470 --> 01:17:50,960
somebody above him or somebody who has

2259
01:17:53,830 --> 01:17:52,480
control over them or even being an

2260
01:17:58,310 --> 01:17:53,840
employee or such

2261
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:58,320
uh it just it seems that it's that uh

2262
01:18:02,630 --> 01:18:00,960
they they cannot they cannot let anybody

2263
01:18:04,550 --> 01:18:02,640
else know that they know this

2264
01:18:07,030 --> 01:18:04,560
or that they're conveying this

2265
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:07,040
information to someone else

2266
01:18:10,149 --> 01:18:09,280
and uh i think there's a lot of that out

2267
01:18:12,630 --> 01:18:10,159
there and i

2268
01:18:14,229 --> 01:18:12,640
i think it's more out there than we know

2269
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:14,239
people know things

2270
01:18:21,030 --> 01:18:17,440
that aren't j just aren't getting out

2271
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:21,040
and um and i guess that's the mechanism

2272
01:18:24,830 --> 01:18:22,320
in which

2273
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:24,840
like i said the powers to be keep

2274
01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:29,270
well that's something you'll see in my

2275
01:18:32,070 --> 01:18:31,199
book it's a built-in protective

2276
01:18:33,910 --> 01:18:32,080
mechanism for the

2277
01:18:35,110 --> 01:18:33,920
for the human psyche collectively for

2278
01:18:36,550 --> 01:18:35,120
our society

2279
01:18:38,550 --> 01:18:36,560
i mean if we had to think about these

2280
01:18:40,310 --> 01:18:38,560
things all the time our society would

2281
01:18:43,510 --> 01:18:40,320
collapse

2282
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:43,520
function i mean basically this

2283
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:45,199
this this concept of ridicule and so

2284
01:18:48,550 --> 01:18:47,040
forth is built in and the fear of

2285
01:18:51,030 --> 01:18:48,560
ridicule you know the fear of being

2286
01:18:53,910 --> 01:18:51,040
shunned and not socially accepted

2287
01:18:55,270 --> 01:18:53,920
in this nature and so you know just like

2288
01:18:56,550 --> 01:18:55,280
you i've encountered so many people who

2289
01:18:57,750 --> 01:18:56,560
tell me their story sometimes they'll

2290
01:18:59,110 --> 01:18:57,760
let me use their name

2291
01:19:00,709 --> 01:18:59,120
and sometimes they'll just be like you

2292
01:19:02,470 --> 01:19:00,719
know you can use this story but don't

2293
01:19:04,310 --> 01:19:02,480
use my real name

2294
01:19:06,149 --> 01:19:04,320
or you know or we were told never to

2295
01:19:08,870 --> 01:19:06,159
talk about this you know or

2296
01:19:10,149 --> 01:19:08,880
in our family or you know whatever and

2297
01:19:11,590 --> 01:19:10,159
this is because they

2298
01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:11,600
fear what will happen you know they

2299
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:13,920
might get ridiculed in the community

2300
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:15,360
or they'll they won't be you know

2301
01:19:18,790 --> 01:19:17,040
accepted in the church or they'll

2302
01:19:20,070 --> 01:19:18,800
they're afraid to lose their job or

2303
01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:20,080
people will talk about them

2304
01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:22,400
but what they don't understand and maybe

2305
01:19:25,990 --> 01:19:23,920
some of them do because they do come to

2306
01:19:29,830 --> 01:19:26,000
us and tell us these things after all

2307
01:19:30,229 --> 01:19:29,840
but but until we start looking at this

2308
01:19:35,030 --> 01:19:30,239
stuff

2309
01:19:37,430 --> 01:19:35,040
in terms of something really is going on

2310
01:19:38,070 --> 01:19:37,440
it's not going to get any better right

2311
01:19:41,910 --> 01:19:38,080
you know

2312
01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:41,920
um yeah it's one of these

2313
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:44,560
i i think lately over the last several

2314
01:19:46,950 --> 01:19:46,000
years and i think it's because the

2315
01:19:49,910 --> 01:19:46,960
internet

2316
01:19:51,590 --> 01:19:49,920
and people see that it there there are

2317
01:19:52,390 --> 01:19:51,600
others talking about a lot of these

2318
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:52,400
things

2319
01:19:55,669 --> 01:19:54,000
that people have open now we talked

2320
01:19:58,950 --> 01:19:55,679
about this before people

2321
01:20:02,070 --> 01:19:58,960
are opening up more and and you know

2322
01:20:03,910 --> 01:20:02,080
letting information get out um

2323
01:20:06,870 --> 01:20:03,920
because they they know that there are

2324
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:06,880
people actually looking into it now

2325
01:20:10,470 --> 01:20:09,520
well you know my my interest in this is

2326
01:20:13,910 --> 01:20:10,480
largely

2327
01:20:15,270 --> 01:20:13,920
and and originally was as a folklorist

2328
01:20:16,629 --> 01:20:15,280
you know it's looking at this in terms

2329
01:20:18,229 --> 01:20:16,639
of of

2330
01:20:20,870 --> 01:20:18,239
not saying that it's not true like i

2331
01:20:23,350 --> 01:20:20,880
said jesse james is now part of folklore

2332
01:20:25,669 --> 01:20:23,360
but seeing what these these parallels

2333
01:20:28,390 --> 01:20:25,679
and these patterns exist

2334
01:20:29,270 --> 01:20:28,400
and trying to figure out what is the

2335
01:20:31,110 --> 01:20:29,280
basis

2336
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:31,120
you know where does this come from

2337
01:20:34,390 --> 01:20:32,880
obviously there's got to be a basis

2338
01:20:36,550 --> 01:20:34,400
somewhere that started all these

2339
01:20:39,270 --> 01:20:36,560
different these different concepts

2340
01:20:40,709 --> 01:20:39,280
and keeps it going because we see the

2341
01:20:43,030 --> 01:20:40,719
same stuff over and over again it just

2342
01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:43,040
it just changes it updates

2343
01:20:46,629 --> 01:20:45,440
seemingly to match our current

2344
01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:46,639
understanding of science

2345
01:20:49,990 --> 01:20:48,400
and the world around us but it's still

2346
01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:50,000
the same stuff

2347
01:20:53,830 --> 01:20:52,080
and so we have to look at it in terms of

2348
01:20:55,990 --> 01:20:53,840
folklore i think

2349
01:20:57,669 --> 01:20:56,000
because we are you and i lana are

2350
01:21:01,510 --> 01:20:57,679
participating

2351
01:21:03,910 --> 01:21:01,520
in a modern update of human folklore

2352
01:21:05,189 --> 01:21:03,920
we just have a different interpretation

2353
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:05,199
new tools

2354
01:21:09,510 --> 01:21:08,400
a broader range of scientific tools to

2355
01:21:11,910 --> 01:21:09,520
choose from

2356
01:21:13,189 --> 01:21:11,920
you know more eyewitnesses we have all

2357
01:21:15,830 --> 01:21:13,199
these other things that

2358
01:21:17,590 --> 01:21:15,840
previous ages didn't have and different

2359
01:21:18,950 --> 01:21:17,600
surgeries didn't have

2360
01:21:21,110 --> 01:21:18,960
but we're doing the same stuff we're

2361
01:21:23,110 --> 01:21:21,120
collecting the same type of data

2362
01:21:25,270 --> 01:21:23,120
we're just putting a new presentation on

2363
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:25,280
it you see what i'm saying here

2364
01:21:28,629 --> 01:21:27,120
and this is important i think i think

2365
01:21:31,189 --> 01:21:28,639
this is something that that we need to

2366
01:21:39,430 --> 01:21:36,229
so you got anything um

2367
01:21:41,030 --> 01:21:39,440
sean i'm taking it all in i mean you

2368
01:21:43,030 --> 01:21:41,040
guys have really hit a lot of topics

2369
01:21:43,830 --> 01:21:43,040
here you got subterranean people and

2370
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:43,840
mythology

2371
01:21:48,550 --> 01:21:47,040
and you know time travel and you know

2372
01:21:50,310 --> 01:21:48,560
one you hit me with a

2373
01:21:51,669 --> 01:21:50,320
out of left field there with you know

2374
01:21:54,070 --> 01:21:51,679
perhaps these are our

2375
01:21:54,950 --> 01:21:54,080
descendants from the future coming back

2376
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:54,960
and

2377
01:21:59,189 --> 01:21:56,400
i don't know that's an awful lot to

2378
01:22:01,110 --> 01:21:59,199
process you know i i had to ask

2379
01:22:02,229 --> 01:22:01,120
mike about the uh about the ancient

2380
01:22:03,990 --> 01:22:02,239
alien theory

2381
01:22:05,590 --> 01:22:04,000
which is kind of a misnomer you're right

2382
01:22:08,149 --> 01:22:05,600
i mean it's uh

2383
01:22:10,070 --> 01:22:08,159
and it's all goes back to and i i guess

2384
01:22:11,990 --> 01:22:10,080
i blame myself for this because

2385
01:22:13,110 --> 01:22:12,000
i was such a fan of the ancient

2386
01:22:15,510 --> 01:22:13,120
astronaut

2387
01:22:17,990 --> 01:22:15,520
when von donegan came out in the yeah

2388
01:22:20,709 --> 01:22:18,000
early 70s because i actually had

2389
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:20,719
which is funny i actually had a teacher

2390
01:22:25,830 --> 01:22:21,600
uh he was

2391
01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:25,840
he was english uh british and

2392
01:22:29,110 --> 01:22:28,000
he was and he was earth and science

2393
01:22:31,910 --> 01:22:29,120
teacher and

2394
01:22:33,270 --> 01:22:31,920
he was really into this ancient

2395
01:22:36,470 --> 01:22:33,280
astronaut

2396
01:22:38,629 --> 01:22:36,480
uh theories by von donegan and i

2397
01:22:41,189 --> 01:22:38,639
you know i really took heart to it you

2398
01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:41,199
know and it's something i've always been

2399
01:22:44,629 --> 01:22:43,760
about and i'm pretty sure a lot of what

2400
01:22:46,790 --> 01:22:44,639
i do now

2401
01:22:49,030 --> 01:22:46,800
reason i think the way sure we all read

2402
01:22:50,629 --> 01:22:49,040
that stuff you know yeah

2403
01:22:52,629 --> 01:22:50,639
it all went to yeah it all went to the

2404
01:22:54,149 --> 01:22:52,639
stewpot here's what i have come to

2405
01:22:55,750 --> 01:22:54,159
understand though

2406
01:22:58,550 --> 01:22:55,760
and whether you're talking about you

2407
01:22:59,990 --> 01:22:58,560
know the hardcore uh ufologists who

2408
01:23:01,750 --> 01:23:00,000
really you know they're really into this

2409
01:23:03,590 --> 01:23:01,760
idea of disclosure okay first of all

2410
01:23:04,950 --> 01:23:03,600
if you get disclosure you can bet

2411
01:23:06,950 --> 01:23:04,960
whatever you're getting is gonna be what

2412
01:23:08,070 --> 01:23:06,960
they want you to get oh yeah

2413
01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:08,080
you're going to get what they want you

2414
01:23:11,030 --> 01:23:09,760
to believe you're not going to get

2415
01:23:12,870 --> 01:23:11,040
whatever's really going on

2416
01:23:14,709 --> 01:23:12,880
that's the first thing the second part

2417
01:23:17,350 --> 01:23:14,719
is you know there's this whole

2418
01:23:18,629 --> 01:23:17,360
extraterrestrial hypothesis crowd and

2419
01:23:21,830 --> 01:23:18,639
for them

2420
01:23:24,310 --> 01:23:21,840
it is a religion well

2421
01:23:26,870 --> 01:23:24,320
an offshoot of that is the ancient alien

2422
01:23:30,149 --> 01:23:26,880
movement and yes it is a religion

2423
01:23:32,790 --> 01:23:30,159
it is a religious movement in terms of

2424
01:23:33,669 --> 01:23:32,800
there's a dogma there are you know

2425
01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:33,679
certain

2426
01:23:37,990 --> 01:23:36,400
high truths which are not to be argued

2427
01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:38,000
with or disputed

2428
01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:41,040
there is a priesthood um and you know

2429
01:23:45,189 --> 01:23:43,280
it's just like anything else and

2430
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:45,199
i think what they're missing is they're

2431
01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:47,040
they're concentrating on

2432
01:23:50,229 --> 01:23:48,560
they're missing the force for the trees

2433
01:23:51,270 --> 01:23:50,239
you know they they're kind of they're

2434
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:51,280
they're attempting to

2435
01:23:55,590 --> 01:23:52,800
fit everything into this one little

2436
01:24:00,229 --> 01:23:55,600
paradigm but it's a much larger

2437
01:24:02,790 --> 01:24:00,239
um a sampling of data

2438
01:24:03,990 --> 01:24:02,800
it doesn't necessarily fit that paradigm

2439
01:24:07,590 --> 01:24:04,000
and so we have to start

2440
01:24:09,750 --> 01:24:07,600
looking at whatever occam's razor

2441
01:24:11,430 --> 01:24:09,760
would say about this in other words the

2442
01:24:14,390 --> 01:24:11,440
most obvious

2443
01:24:16,229 --> 01:24:14,400
truth the simplest truth is going to be

2444
01:24:18,390 --> 01:24:16,239
going to be the correct answer

2445
01:24:19,270 --> 01:24:18,400
even if you don't want to believe it you

2446
01:24:21,990 --> 01:24:19,280
know that's

2447
01:24:23,350 --> 01:24:22,000
that's where it's going to be and and i

2448
01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:23,360
think that's where we have to start

2449
01:24:27,270 --> 01:24:24,000
looking is

2450
01:24:28,950 --> 01:24:27,280
is right here where we come from yeah i

2451
01:24:30,390 --> 01:24:28,960
agree with you i mean you know i enjoy

2452
01:24:32,229 --> 01:24:30,400
watching the series it's been on how

2453
01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:32,239
many years now it's been a while

2454
01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:34,639
but uh it does get to the point where a

2455
01:24:38,470 --> 01:24:36,400
lot of the um

2456
01:24:39,669 --> 01:24:38,480
a lot of the subject matter trying to

2457
01:24:43,030 --> 01:24:39,679
put it with the

2458
01:24:45,669 --> 01:24:43,040
ancient alien theory is a bit contrived

2459
01:24:46,790 --> 01:24:45,679
and uh you know our ancestors were not

2460
01:24:50,070 --> 01:24:46,800
stupid people

2461
01:24:51,430 --> 01:24:50,080
no okay uh basically

2462
01:24:53,350 --> 01:24:51,440
there even recently there have been you

2463
01:24:54,310 --> 01:24:53,360
know very serious uh scientific studies

2464
01:24:56,390 --> 01:24:54,320
indicating that

2465
01:24:57,350 --> 01:24:56,400
the population of our planet is getting

2466
01:25:00,790 --> 01:24:57,360
dumber and

2467
01:25:02,629 --> 01:25:00,800
at a staggering rate okay and you look

2468
01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:02,639
at guys like you know pythagoras

2469
01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:05,760
archimedes you know all these guys

2470
01:25:10,550 --> 01:25:09,040
who lived thousands of years ago to be

2471
01:25:13,030 --> 01:25:10,560
alive at that time

2472
01:25:14,629 --> 01:25:13,040
and to survive on a day-to-day basis or

2473
01:25:15,910 --> 01:25:14,639
for your city-state or your little

2474
01:25:18,149 --> 01:25:15,920
kingdom to survive

2475
01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:18,159
you had to be smarter than everybody

2476
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:19,679
else around you

2477
01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:22,880
okay dumb people did not last long

2478
01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:26,400
in those days now we've taken away

2479
01:25:29,430 --> 01:25:28,480
natural selection to a large extent and

2480
01:25:30,950 --> 01:25:29,440
and you know

2481
01:25:33,189 --> 01:25:30,960
and so we've kind of changed the game

2482
01:25:34,310 --> 01:25:33,199
over the last 120 years or 100 years or

2483
01:25:36,070 --> 01:25:34,320
so

2484
01:25:38,149 --> 01:25:36,080
not necessarily for the better in the

2485
01:25:39,750 --> 01:25:38,159
long haul and so

2486
01:25:42,070 --> 01:25:39,760
i think that you know when we make these

2487
01:25:43,110 --> 01:25:42,080
assumptions about how dumb people were

2488
01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:43,120
oh they're primitive well

2489
01:25:47,270 --> 01:25:45,040
okay you think they're primitive we

2490
01:25:49,189 --> 01:25:47,280
can't even today cut the stones

2491
01:25:50,390 --> 01:25:49,199
that they cut then and move them you

2492
01:25:51,750 --> 01:25:50,400
know we don't have the equipment today

2493
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:51,760
to move the big stones

2494
01:25:55,430 --> 01:25:54,000
at bail back we don't have equipment

2495
01:25:57,430 --> 01:25:55,440
today to build the

2496
01:25:59,430 --> 01:25:57,440
the the megalithic sites high in the

2497
01:26:01,510 --> 01:25:59,440
entities we can't do that

2498
01:26:02,950 --> 01:26:01,520
so how dumb were those people apparently

2499
01:26:04,790 --> 01:26:02,960
they weren't too dumb

2500
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:04,800
okay if you took a city block of people

2501
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:06,000
today

2502
01:26:13,189 --> 01:26:09,840
any given city in the world and you

2503
01:26:17,830 --> 01:26:13,199
transported them to 5000 bc how long do

2504
01:26:27,189 --> 01:26:23,590
long and that's not because

2505
01:26:28,790 --> 01:26:27,199
the people back then were dumb okay and

2506
01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:28,800
you know intelligence there are

2507
01:26:31,990 --> 01:26:30,320
different types of intelligence

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01:26:34,830 --> 01:26:32,000
and there are some people today whose

2509
01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:34,840
intelligence is largely based on their

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01:26:38,709 --> 01:26:36,000
iphone

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01:26:40,070 --> 01:26:38,719
or their galaxy phone you know and their

2512
01:26:42,149 --> 01:26:40,080
internet connection

2513
01:26:43,510 --> 01:26:42,159
i mean let's face it that's just the way

2514
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:43,520
that's the world we live in

2515
01:26:49,830 --> 01:26:46,800
yeah it is well mike you know

2516
01:26:50,709 --> 01:26:49,840
how can people get a hold of you about

2517
01:26:53,709 --> 01:26:50,719
your website

2518
01:26:56,750 --> 01:26:53,719
everyone well i tell you they can go to

2519
01:27:01,430 --> 01:26:58,950
m-o-t-t-i-m-o-rphic.com

2520
01:27:02,070 --> 01:27:01,440
blog for my latest stuff with my blog

2521
01:27:04,550 --> 01:27:02,080
there

2522
01:27:06,590 --> 01:27:04,560
but really to get to my books go to my

2523
01:27:10,189 --> 01:27:06,600
publisher's website

2524
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:10,199
gravedistractions.com that's

2525
01:27:13,750 --> 01:27:11,520
gravedistractions.com

2526
01:27:15,350 --> 01:27:13,760
and go there look under authors you will

2527
01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:15,360
find my author page

2528
01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:18,480
with links to my book books and my

2529
01:27:22,550 --> 01:27:19,520
websites

2530
01:27:23,270 --> 01:27:22,560
so all of my online stuff radio shows

2531
01:27:26,470 --> 01:27:23,280
and all that stuff

2532
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:26,480
but go to gravedistractions.com

2533
01:27:29,590 --> 01:27:27,840
and then go to the author page and

2534
01:27:31,510 --> 01:27:29,600
you'll find my author page there

2535
01:27:33,110 --> 01:27:31,520
and you can find all the information

2536
01:27:35,910 --> 01:27:33,120
there

2537
01:27:37,110 --> 01:27:35,920
very good well you know mike thanks for

2538
01:27:40,709 --> 01:27:37,120
coming on with us i

2539
01:27:41,750 --> 01:27:40,719
really appreciate it uh a lot i learned

2540
01:27:43,910 --> 01:27:41,760
a lot and i

2541
01:27:46,790 --> 01:27:43,920
tell you i enjoyed me too very much

2542
01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:46,800
enjoyed the book it's

2543
01:27:50,870 --> 01:27:48,719
i appreciate you guys having me on and

2544
01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:50,880
uh i enjoyed it it's always a pleasure

2545
01:27:54,310 --> 01:27:53,520
so our pleasure thanks again mike for

2546
01:27:57,350 --> 01:27:54,320
joining us

2547
01:27:57,990 --> 01:27:57,360
and folks gravedistractions.com search

2548
01:28:00,470 --> 01:27:58,000
for author

2549
01:28:03,430 --> 01:28:00,480
william michael mott get his book uh the

2550
01:28:07,030 --> 01:28:03,440
book is caverns cauldrons and concealed

2551
01:28:09,270 --> 01:28:07,040
creatures and uh thanks again mike for

2552
01:28:12,310 --> 01:28:09,280
joining us we really appreciate it

2553
01:28:14,790 --> 01:28:12,320
no problem thank you guys our pleasure

2554
01:28:15,990 --> 01:28:14,800
lon next week we return with patrick

2555
01:28:19,270 --> 01:28:16,000
meacham

2556
01:28:19,590 --> 01:28:19,280
yes sir and uh coming back with us and

2557
01:28:23,590 --> 01:28:19,600
we

2558
01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:23,600
off

2559
01:28:27,430 --> 01:28:26,560
we're also gonna try to take calls yeah

2560
01:28:28,629 --> 01:28:27,440
oh okay

2561
01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:28,639
we're gonna try to get that up and

2562
01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:30,880
running next week and uh i'll have that

2563
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:32,880
information so you can post it

2564
01:28:36,310 --> 01:28:34,560
on the website and the facebook will

2565
01:28:38,550 --> 01:28:36,320
take calls probably about the 11

2566
01:28:39,590 --> 01:28:38,560
15. we'll take calls for maybe about 15

2567
01:28:41,270 --> 01:28:39,600
20 minutes

2568
01:28:43,110 --> 01:28:41,280
uh try it out see how that's going to go

2569
01:28:44,790 --> 01:28:43,120
we've wanted to do it in the past we

2570
01:28:46,149 --> 01:28:44,800
we've been equipped to do it we just

2571
01:28:47,189 --> 01:28:46,159
haven't done it so we're going to try

2572
01:28:49,030 --> 01:28:47,199
that again this week

2573
01:28:50,790 --> 01:28:49,040
but long great show you guys just blew

2574
01:28:52,149 --> 01:28:50,800
my mind there with when you just threw

2575
01:28:54,950 --> 01:28:52,159
out that

2576
01:28:55,990 --> 01:28:54,960
the descendant time travelers i just

2577
01:28:59,189 --> 01:28:56,000
kind of i just my

2578
01:29:03,110 --> 01:29:01,270
well it's a lot to think about and he

2579
01:29:04,310 --> 01:29:03,120
brings i mean mike brings up some very

2580
01:29:07,830 --> 01:29:04,320
good points

2581
01:29:09,830 --> 01:29:07,840
uh you know what don't we know and

2582
01:29:11,910 --> 01:29:09,840
you know there's gotta be a lot there's

2583
01:29:15,030 --> 01:29:11,920
got to be a reason for a lot of what

2584
01:29:16,070 --> 01:29:15,040
has been going on people are seeing the

2585
01:29:19,750 --> 01:29:16,080
unexplained

2586
01:29:20,790 --> 01:29:19,760
you know the unknown and it it's just

2587
01:29:23,510 --> 01:29:20,800
not about

2588
01:29:24,470 --> 01:29:23,520
little green men from other galaxies i

2589
01:29:28,229 --> 01:29:24,480
think

2590
01:29:31,189 --> 01:29:28,239
is in the neighborhood

2591
01:29:32,790 --> 01:29:31,199
oh well that's always you know you're

2592
01:29:34,709 --> 01:29:32,800
not the only one who shares that thought

2593
01:29:36,709 --> 01:29:34,719
you know there's a lot of folks that

2594
01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:36,719
that agree you know is it closer to home

2595
01:29:40,470 --> 01:29:38,880
than we think is it on our home

2596
01:29:41,990 --> 01:29:40,480
uh i guess we really don't know to

2597
01:29:42,709 --> 01:29:42,000
really start exploring and asking the

2598
01:29:45,189 --> 01:29:42,719
questions

2599
01:29:46,390 --> 01:29:45,199
is the truth real close to us perhaps

2600
01:29:49,750 --> 01:29:46,400
underneath us

2601
01:29:50,470 --> 01:29:49,760
i guess you'll have to read uh william's

2602
01:29:55,110 --> 01:29:50,480
book or

2603
01:29:57,430 --> 01:29:55,120
mike's book to uh to understand more

2604
01:29:58,149 --> 01:29:57,440
well that's why we do what we do and

2605
01:30:00,229 --> 01:29:58,159
that's why

2606
01:30:02,070 --> 01:30:00,239
we continue to do so we're going to be

2607
01:30:03,510 --> 01:30:02,080
bringing you music exclusive well not

2608
01:30:06,790 --> 01:30:03,520
really exclusive but music

2609
01:30:08,310 --> 01:30:06,800
for arcane radio here in the next coming

2610
01:30:09,910 --> 01:30:08,320
weeks you'll be able to check out the

2611
01:30:11,510 --> 01:30:09,920
musicians from our website

2612
01:30:13,110 --> 01:30:11,520
as soon as we start playing their songs

2613
01:30:14,870 --> 01:30:13,120
and again uh

2614
01:30:16,310 --> 01:30:14,880
you know great show tonight lon i really

2615
01:30:17,990 --> 01:30:16,320
appreciate it uh

2616
01:30:19,430 --> 01:30:18,000
you know this type of i really

2617
01:30:21,430 --> 01:30:19,440
appreciate this type of show because it

2618
01:30:23,910 --> 01:30:21,440
takes me outside my comfort zone

2619
01:30:25,030 --> 01:30:23,920
gets me to think a little bit about some

2620
01:30:26,390 --> 01:30:25,040
of those things i haven't really

2621
01:30:28,310 --> 01:30:26,400
contemplated before

2622
01:30:29,830 --> 01:30:28,320
and uh this book was different and i

2623
01:30:30,390 --> 01:30:29,840
think it was just up enough people's

2624
01:30:31,990 --> 01:30:30,400
alley

2625
01:30:34,310 --> 01:30:32,000
and it's a guest that seems to know what

2626
01:30:37,669 --> 01:30:34,320
he's talking about you know absolutely

2627
01:30:40,310 --> 01:30:37,679
makes a big difference yep

2628
01:30:40,950 --> 01:30:40,320
so next week we uh start talking about

2629
01:30:43,830 --> 01:30:40,960
some

2630
01:30:44,310 --> 01:30:43,840
we go back to ghosts and hauntings and

2631
01:30:46,310 --> 01:30:44,320
uh

2632
01:30:48,550 --> 01:30:46,320
it's gonna be a good show yeah it will

2633
01:30:50,229 --> 01:30:48,560
be all right folks you've been listening

2634
01:30:51,030 --> 01:30:50,239
to arcane radio shaun fulker launch

2635
01:30:54,310 --> 01:30:51,040
strickler

2636
01:30:55,910 --> 01:30:54,320
good night everybody www.arcaneradio.com

2637
01:30:58,709 --> 01:30:55,920
for more information

2638
01:30:59,990 --> 01:30:58,719
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2639
01:31:02,430 --> 01:31:00,000
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2640
01:31:03,990 --> 01:31:02,440
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2641
01:31:04,390 --> 01:31:04,000
phantomsandmonsters.com to read all

2642
01:31:06,910 --> 01:31:04,400
about

2643
01:31:08,390 --> 01:31:06,920
lawn and what's going on over there and

2644
01:31:10,470 --> 01:31:08,400
theforkchop.net

2645
01:31:12,709 --> 01:31:10,480
for up-to-date information on what i'm

2646
01:31:14,310 --> 01:31:12,719
doing if you want to yell at me chastise

2647
01:31:15,030 --> 01:31:14,320
me it's all there i'm here to take it

2648
01:31:17,510 --> 01:31:15,040
all so

2649
01:31:19,270 --> 01:31:17,520
folks again thank you for being with us

2650
01:31:21,510 --> 01:31:19,280
each and every week inviting us into

2651
01:31:22,790 --> 01:31:21,520
your homes offices wherever you listen